2016 Postmortem

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259. I COMPLETELY agree with you. I said that because that's the accusation made to anyone who points

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:05 PM

Aug 2015

out that Bernie is an unknown when they are explaining why Bernie has low polling across the board. We are then accused of saying that PoC are stupid and uninformed. Thank you for proving that is not what we are saying at all.

The fact is that Bernie is not a household name as Clinton is. If he were he would be polling much higher among all racial groups.

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Sanders quickly makes changes when challenged b y BLM. Clinton wags her finger. Who's out of step? [View all] Armstead Aug 2015 OP

Oh her performance was masterful doncha know... ibegurpard Aug 2015 #1

To say nothing of that tea bag plant they sprung on Bernie forest444 Aug 2015 #60

Even if she was an agent provocateur U of M Dem Aug 2015 #112

frankly I think it backfired: FB and Twitter were immediately *deluged* with CSPAN videos on YouTube MisterP Aug 2015 #121

You're absolutely right. forest444 Aug 2015 #140

dunno, there's not that big a favorability gap race-wise: it's more that there's a separate MisterP Aug 2015 #141

This smear attempt was just that... An attempt. U of M Dem Aug 2015 #162

maybe it was targeted at Whites? MisterP Aug 2015 #170

The message was still important, though. And he responded to it. n/t eridani Aug 2015 #204

You just don't get it whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #2

Head scratchingly weird Armstead Aug 2015 #3

Oh but ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #237

Well it's true! LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #9

Yep it's like that whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #12

Not delusion, IMO LondonReign2 Aug 2015 #15

I see your point whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #26

The most extreme who do it are radiating hatred, not objective (or deliberately false) criticism passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #68

After enough abuse, you learn to be careful about trusting "strangers." senz Aug 2015 #24

+1 whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #40

Well, if he's just an unkown white guy, somone forgot to tell those huge masses of rally attendees Bubzer Aug 2015 #53

The MSM ignore him. We know about him from online, lefty media, and word of mouth. senz Aug 2015 #64

I've noticed when members of AA communities discover Bernie's history in marching next to MLK jr... Bubzer Aug 2015 #91

You are probably correct but Bill and Hillary are also well known for the jwirr Aug 2015 #61

Not everyone is a political junkie. Most people work off "impressions." senz Aug 2015 #71

But we are talking about black people and other people of color. They jwirr Aug 2015 #187

Bernie voted for some of those same laws... None of these guys can throw a stone uponit7771 Aug 2015 #226

I don't think Bernie is our best bet... Other than say a bunch of stuff that should be obvious he's uponit7771 Aug 2015 #225

She has the same problem with the Rs. Of course she would just triangulate jwirr Aug 2015 #228

HRC was being real with what she can do. BS is saying what they wish he could accomplish. kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #36

Clinton/Sanders would be the ultimate whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #39

Exactly. People need to understand president/vice-president senz Aug 2015 #54

Yup whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #55

Not really. Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #41

I think Bernie needs to avoid Third Way running mate if nominated... cascadiance Aug 2015 #49

Isn't it insane that you talk about assassination and I nod my head in agreement. This Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #52

Well, some of us remember JFK, RFK, MLK ... senz Aug 2015 #90

Yes we do don't we... zeemike Aug 2015 #108

Yep. It was tumultous but still "America." Then Reaganomics happened. senz Aug 2015 #118

telling them that they must tell her what policies are needed hardly qualifies as magical thyme Aug 2015 #58

this this this^^^^^ wendylaroux Aug 2015 #86

+1000 senz Aug 2015 #133

You inspired me to go to the site and make a better image. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #164

You should make that into an op. Their list is very detailed. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #169

well done! great job, thank you! magical thyme Aug 2015 #180

I'm pro Bernie, but I'd have to admit a certain ammount of curiosity at a Sanders/Clinton ticket. Bubzer Aug 2015 #77

Are you trying to offend? kenfrequed Aug 2015 #83

Right!!! Sanders isn't saying how he's going to get past the Republican congress uponit7771 Aug 2015 #227

If Hillary wins I do not want Bernie as her vp. We need his voice in the jwirr Aug 2015 #229

As Rumsfeld said, they MAKE the news to be reported by their 'noise-machine', Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #42

I wouldn't call 40+ years of human rights work a problem. Bubzer Aug 2015 #51

Like Obama with LGBT in 2008. ieoeja Aug 2015 #117

Yep...that's pretty much it. noiretextatique Aug 2015 #190

No, Bernie continued to speak over the BLM and left the stage, he did not Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #4

No maybe Bernie can be grouchy when yelled at Armstead Aug 2015 #6

So you think it is ok for Bernie to be grouchy, it is not healing his problem. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #7

Yes it's okay. Not what I would recommend but I'd do the ame thing Armstead Aug 2015 #8

Then perhaps your opinion of Hillary meeting with BLM wasn't handled badly, it might be better to Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #14

Hillary's little, polite, private get together was a hoot. No shouting at her onstage! jalan48 Aug 2015 #25

All you seem to want to do is spin kenfrequed Aug 2015 #95

Since I did not start the op perhaps addressing someone else would be better, the spin would Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #104

You noticed that too eh? MoveIt Aug 2015 #217

MY OP was in response to seeing contiinued claims and innuendo along those lines Armstead Aug 2015 #126

Bernie is not "grouchy." Another false meme. senz Aug 2015 #34

I expect they'll call him a 'sore winner man' next. Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #43

Winner of what? Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #127

The nomination .... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #148

The DNC nominee will be a Democrat. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #174

Yes, all being above board, it seems he has a very fair chance of Joe Chi Minh Aug 2015 #215

I would not count on Bernie winning the nomination,he lacks in some serious matters. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #216

Appealingly grouchy.... Armstead Aug 2015 #128

Well, grouchy sounds ill-tempered & a bit hostile. Bernie's not like that. senz Aug 2015 #136

Well since we bsically both want him to win i won't quibble Armstead Aug 2015 #139

The man is running for President of the United States. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #198

I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer Armstead Aug 2015 #200

You just did. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #201

If you wish to take my non answer as an answer, be my guest Armstead Aug 2015 #203

Absolute bullshit whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #11

Opinions have already been made in this matter, keeping it in the spot light is not soothing to a Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #18

It's put back in the spotlight by Hillary supporters 24/7 whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #22

Provide the links Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #62

Seriously? whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #69

They were asshats! End of story. pocoloco Aug 2015 #38

Bernie is the best on "this point." The best. And you know it. senz Aug 2015 #76

He stepped back from the mic. He did not leave the stage. senz Aug 2015 #73

Thinkingabout whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #82

Yeah, excuse me for talking while you're interrupting. yodermon Aug 2015 #17

His problem remains. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #20

No. Yours does. I watched his speech in whitesville NH today. In that bastion of albino, he spoke Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #45

+1 LiberalLovinLug Aug 2015 #84

I do not have a problem, if he wants to correct the issues with minorities then he will work on it Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #103

perhaps we should send Secretary Clinton ibegurpard Aug 2015 #23

UNTRUE. Bernie remained on stage, with his wife, and bowed his head senz Aug 2015 #28

He appointed a BLM activist as his press secretary noiretextatique Aug 2015 #191

After Seattle, he missed opportunity after NN, O'Malley met with them after NN. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #192

bullshit eom noiretextatique Sep 2015 #261

Yes it is bullshit, he mussed an opportunity. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #262

I was wondering about this too..... beerandjesus Aug 2015 #5

Hillary sat down with BLM for a discussion. Bernie walks off the stage. leftofcool Aug 2015 #10

Hillary got her ring kissed. whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #13

Because if there's one thing you do around someone under Secret Service protection NuclearDem Aug 2015 #27

Convenient excuse whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #48

And cancelled his meeting with BLM. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #16

If you have any proof at all of what you're claiming, please provide a link. Old Crow Aug 2015 #46

That's from July 19 nothing about a meeting with #BLM just Neotroots azurnoir Aug 2015 #65

Specify... SoapBox Aug 2015 #96

Bernie did NOT walk off the stage. senz Aug 2015 #32

He stayed on stage for 20 minutes. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #80

It's pretty clear that some will attack Sanders jfern Aug 2015 #195

He left because he had a fundraiser to get to before the big night rally eridani Aug 2015 #205

What crap... SoapBox Aug 2015 #33

Sat down? Ino Aug 2015 #35

yes he did after the person in charge of the social security rally closed down the event azurnoir Aug 2015 #47

Hillary did not sit down with BLM for a discussion.. frylock Aug 2015 #92

Hillary didn't allow BLM to speak to her supporters Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Aug 2015 #158

i don't think they really care about being polite JI7 Aug 2015 #19

Sanders of course cali Aug 2015 #21

Bernie purposed legislation that he knows has no chance of passing too. moobu2 Aug 2015 #29

Another stupid assed meme Armstead Aug 2015 #130

+1 beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #135

oh no JackInGreen Sep 2015 #263

presumably the white fragility and Democrats' resistance to outside styles of activism MisterP Aug 2015 #30

I love the way the B.L.M. matter has managed to move the discussion away from LiberalArkie Aug 2015 #31

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Aug 2015 #85

School Uniforms and V-Chips in TVs were the solution to everything as I recall Armstead Aug 2015 #131

THey? So BLM is really a rightwing group undercover? randys1 Aug 2015 #151

No one said that, they were referring to the Clintons. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #157

THEY do it every time is what the person said. randys1 Aug 2015 #159

Why not ask them instead of trying to get their post hidden? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #161

a. didnt try to get it hidden b. why are YOU responding not them? randys1 Aug 2015 #163

No one is attacking blm. The only one attacking is you. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #165

ATtacking is EXACTLY what it is randys1 Aug 2015 #166

Repeating it won't make it true. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #167

As one of "them" I was referring to the Clintons Armstead Aug 2015 #236

you folks allege BLM is knowingly or not being used to harm Bernie's campaign randys1 Aug 2015 #238

B.... Armstead Aug 2015 #242

Every time you respond, everything you say when you do this, just makes it worse randys1 Aug 2015 #247

wasn't...how's that. Armstead Aug 2015 #250

They - you know the other people, the news media, the opposing forces LiberalArkie Aug 2015 #184

Once again, the answer to the OP Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #172

Thank YOU randys1 Aug 2015 #224

Some of the reaction was an ugly response to ugly accusations Armstead Aug 2015 #243

This post tells me you didn't even bother Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #246

I did read it Armstead Aug 2015 #252

Nailed it. Vattel Aug 2015 #37

It baffles me that after weeks of outrage here on DU over azurnoir Aug 2015 #44

She didn't "wag her finger" - did you see the two of them and their hand gestures? George II Aug 2015 #49

I saw that! She was awesome. Laser102 Aug 2015 #59

"wag her finger" was polite. did you even watch the video? magical thyme Aug 2015 #75

She came across overbearing, condescending, interrupting, unfriendly & just a tad defensive. senz Aug 2015 #107

"I will grant you this, she came across as very decisive in avoiding giving any real answer." Utopian Leftist Aug 2015 #138

Hillary gave a very real answer: She said get a plan: She said what do you want done? lewebley3 Aug 2015 #231

they asked her for *her* plan, how *she* intended to address violence against POC magical thyme Aug 2015 #234

Hillary, did address the violence she said it was bad: Like very one thinks: She is not in office! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #254

saying violence is bad is how she plans to address it if/when she is in office? seriously? magical thyme Aug 2015 #258

Larry Wilmore wasn't very impressed with her "presidential" performance: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #116

I'm glad I clicked on that. immoderate Aug 2015 #188

I often wake up the dogs and cats lol when I watch the Nightly Show. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #189

The difference is she has the credibility with them Gman Aug 2015 #56

I do not see what gives her credibility. She supported tough on crime laws jwirr Aug 2015 #63

Didn't sanders vote for those same laws? Yeah, yeah he did uponit7771 Aug 2015 #89

No. No he did not. Bernie's voting record on crime: senz Aug 2015 #115

So did Sanders! But the Clintons are responsible for it, Sanders gets a pass. George II Aug 2015 #168

Becaust the 2007 candidate of "hardworking people, white people" really gets-- eridani Aug 2015 #209

Omg, that second article... beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #212

At Netroots Bernie threatened to leave, and then gave his standard stump speech, pnwmom Aug 2015 #57

Who are you going to believe...me or your lying eyes? ibegurpard Aug 2015 #67

Apparently you missed the Netroots and Westlake center videos. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #70

nope I saw the westlake video ibegurpard Aug 2015 #72

And then he deserted all the supporters who had come to hear him talk. pnwmom Aug 2015 #81

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #101

That's unfair... cascadiance Aug 2015 #74

At Westlake Center in Seattle, the organizer of the event SHUT IT DOWN. frylock Aug 2015 #98

He shut it down because the keynoter decided to leave. pnwmom Aug 2015 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #102

It is a fact that Bernie was the keynoter. It is a fact that he left before giving his address. pnwmom Aug 2015 #105

The keynoter was running a tight schedule and didn't have all day to stand there.. frylock Aug 2015 #110

He gave them plenty of time. He would have been justified to then have them ejected. pnwmom Aug 2015 #114

ho-leee shit! had them ejected?! frylock Aug 2015 #120

Why...that's simply not true, pnwmom. I'm surprised you didn't know that. senz Aug 2015 #153

What isn't true? Bernie was the keynoter and they ended it because he left. nt pnwmom Aug 2015 #207

You're part of the Socical Security Works Coalition, so you know he was the keynoter eridani Aug 2015 #206

I know he was the keynoter because he was advertised, in advance, as the keynoter. pnwmom Aug 2015 #208

And how did you miss the two hours that the event had already been going on before he got there? n/ eridani Aug 2015 #210

I don't know how the schedule was supposed to run, but he WAS the keynoter. pnwmom Aug 2015 #211

Sanders wasn't allowed to speak. Those 3 gals played "keep the mic away from him" for 20 minutes. Major Hogwash Aug 2015 #214

Another useless post by a BS supporter GitRDun Aug 2015 #66

Another useless response to a BS supporter. L0oniX Aug 2015 #79

Very nice! GitRDun Aug 2015 #142

You know there is video nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #87

Lol, the finger was very active. If I had been one of the BLM guys, I would have backed up some Vattel Aug 2015 #94

You're correct about the word "wagging." It was inaccurate. Old Crow Aug 2015 #97

No GitRDun Aug 2015 #145

The amazing thing I see on here, your post included... Old Crow Aug 2015 #149

Well said, Old Crow. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #150

A typical BS supporter response GitRDun Aug 2015 #155

I always read what people say before responding. Old Crow Aug 2015 #175

Sorry, no Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #173

I honestly have no idea what your post is supposed to mean. Old Crow Aug 2015 #176

It's plain enough. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #177

I'm trying to communicate here. Old Crow Aug 2015 #178

Again Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #179

Ahhhh. Okay, my apologies. Now I get it. Old Crow Aug 2015 #182

Of course that is how it went . TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #160

^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #171

I'd love for a Hillary supporter to address Wilmore's take. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #185

Me too! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #186

We won't ever see it happen JackInGreen Sep 2015 #264

This whole subject is useless Armstead Aug 2015 #257

Sanders' supposed "problem" with people of color Maedhros Aug 2015 #78

You know many people of color don't even know Sanders to have a problem with him uponit7771 Aug 2015 #93

Are you calling PoC stupid? Uninformed? cui bono Aug 2015 #194

Red herring... Not the slightest intimation in my post of such. FACT many PoC don't know who Bernie uponit7771 Aug 2015 #223

I COMPLETELY agree with you. I said that because that's the accusation made to anyone who points cui bono Aug 2015 #259

Or ... frazzled Aug 2015 #88

The protestors asked her Armstead Aug 2015 #106

You know video exists of these events, right? jeff47 Aug 2015 #109

I've watched the videos of both events frazzled Aug 2015 #119

Sure you have. jeff47 Aug 2015 #122

I'll repeat this just for you, frazzled. senz Aug 2015 #156

No, it DOESN'T depend on your perspective. Old Crow Aug 2015 #113

who's not whose fbc Aug 2015 #100

First, they ignore you, then they try to assassinate your character... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #111

Yeah but it's like a game of Whac-A-Mole. Lies keep poppin' up outta nowhwere. senz Aug 2015 #124

Bernie did listen and expand his message, I suspect it will grow even more, Hillary is waiting Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #123

I thought she did well. She was candid, and didn't pander. DanTex Aug 2015 #125

But it was her "defining performance" according to one supporter. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #129

It just makes you look foolish when you post such a subject line. riversedge Aug 2015 #132

And why is that? Bcause I am referring to hyperbolie with hyrbolie? Armstead Aug 2015 #134

Really? As foolish as calling that Hillary's defining moment? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #137

It's bogus & it's all they got. All they got is boooguus! :-D senz Aug 2015 #146

Lol! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #147

- L0oniX Aug 2015 #143

Bernie ON STAGE after Seattle BLM protesters take the mic (photo) senz Aug 2015 #144

Clinton reply similar to Sanders reply HassleCat Aug 2015 #152

The problem was not Bernie's response BainsBane Aug 2015 #181

Emotions got high, as they always do Armstead Aug 2015 #183

No, she should not have defended Sanders against the strawman created by his supporters BainsBane Aug 2015 #193

You have created a very tight little fantasy, but a bit inconsistent. Bonobo Aug 2015 #197

You have a very complex set if determinations of what is acceptable Armstead Aug 2015 #202

Agree with this completely Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #218

ummmmmm Armstead Aug 2015 #235

Yeah Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #244

I was pissed and I'm not going to apologize for being pissed. Armstead Aug 2015 #245

Well then... Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #248

whatever....if you EVER want to have a reasonable discussion... Armstead Aug 2015 #251

Yup, we know already. It was his supporters, gotcha. Who gives a rat's ass about the candidates? nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #196

She didn't "wag her finger". delrem Aug 2015 #199

Everything you said is the stone cold truth. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #213

Why are we continuing to throw logs on this fire? blackspade Aug 2015 #219

Because others keep throwing logs on it Armstead Aug 2015 #220

I would prefer that as well, thus the basis of my question. blackspade Aug 2015 #221

Unless another epidemic of this breaks out, I'm done with it Armstead Aug 2015 #230

Excuse me while I pick up my Volvo. Nt mwooldri Aug 2015 #222

Sanders folded like a deck of cards: When confronted by BL: He screamed and ran away lewebley3 Aug 2015 #232

I missed the screaming and running. Gee, must have been happening in the Twilight Zone Armstead Aug 2015 #233

It was at the Netroots: Check the video: Sanders does eveything but scream bet off my lawn lewebley3 Aug 2015 #255

If you were there.... Armstead Aug 2015 #256

She didn't need to make changes MaggieD Aug 2015 #239

You mean long before Sanders was at the March on Washington? Armstead Aug 2015 #240

Really? Explain this then: beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #241

Hillary herself has admitted she was wrong on criminal justice cali Aug 2015 #249

If you're talking about the Omnibus Crime bill she supported d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #253

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #260