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2016 Postmortem

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Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:08 PM Sep 2015

Bernie will win because most Americans worry far more about health care costs than they worry about socialism [View all]

They tell us that Bernie can't win because he calls himself a socialist, well I am here to say that those people are full of shit. Bernie will not be hurt by the socialist label, he will be helped by it and this is why.

Bernie's opponents seem to think that Americans will run for the hills the moment they hear the word "socialism", but the fact is that word has already been used against Bernie countless times but instead of running for the hills voters are running to the arenas to hear Bernie speak.

Here is what Republicans and the third way Democrats who like to "reach across the aisle" don't understand, the average American spends a lot more time feeling pissed off at the political establishment than they spend reliving the Cold War. The typical American thinks that our Congress is made up of a bunch of corrupt assholes that care more about themselves than they do about our country. Americans spend a lot more time thinking about how frustrated they are with our current political system than they do about the names that are on our modern day Joe McCarthy's list of suspected socialists.

If the Republicans go after Bernie on socialism then Bernie can use the same argument that he has already very effectively used, he can move the discussion beyond the single word and on to the issues. Bernie is a Democratic Socialist because he believes everyone has a right to health care, everyone has a right to a good education, everyone should be paid decent wages for their labor, and everyone should be able to get Social Security benefits when they retire. These are all ideas that most Americans find attractive and a person can not make these ideas unattractive simply by screaming "SOCIALISM!!!!111!!!" at the top of their lungs.

Every time that the Republicans and Third Wayers do scream socialism Bernie will remind them that he supports health care for all, they support a system that denies people access to health care. Bernie supports a system that increases the wages of the workers, they support a system that benefits the CEOs and screws the workers. He supports a system that allows any qualified student to go to college regardless of income, they support a system that leaves students with crippling debt. The average American worries far more about their access to health care than they do about socialism and if the Republicans think they can defeat Bernie in a debate on health care by saying the word "socialism" over and over again I think they are in for a shock.

If Bernie's opponents think they can effectively attack Bernie for being a Democratic Socialist I got three words for them: BRING IT ON!

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Really? How many times has the GOP voted to try and repeal Obamacare? MADem Sep 2015 #1
Really? How many times has the GOP managed to repeal Obamacare? Wilms Sep 2015 #3
Look, you're acting like the whole of America is ENAMOURED of Obamacare--they aren't. MADem Sep 2015 #11
I live in the sticks in Alaska and the governor by himself pushed through the expansion roguevalley Sep 2015 #33
That's good. But that's a long, long way from single payer. MADem Sep 2015 #42
Show me polling that suggests majority support for Single Payer Health Care brooklynite Sep 2015 #2
Here you go... Bjorn Against Sep 2015 #5
Hmm. So half the country agrees with what FLOTUS Hillary Clinton was saying back in the 90s! nt MADem Sep 2015 #12
She was hardly the only person supporting universal care Armstead Sep 2015 #13
Oh. PLEASE. She was the ONLY person heading up a TASK FORCE on the subject in 1993. MADem Sep 2015 #15
No it killed me at the time to watch them screw it up Armstead Sep 2015 #16
Yes, and "Bernie's" task force--they got it done? Never saw anything about that in the paper...? MADem Sep 2015 #17
He wasn't sitting on his ass, nor have millions of others Armstead Sep 2015 #19
He wasn't? What was he doing, besides running his mouth? Talk is cheap. MADem Sep 2015 #20
The failiure of Vermont;s system have nothing to do with Sanders Armstead Sep 2015 #21
Why was he trying to pass it off as a minor bump in the road, then, instead of the abject failure MADem Sep 2015 #23
Wellllll...maybe if we had a decent national systemm to support it..... Armstead Sep 2015 #24
Where's the ACTION? Hillary chaired a task force--all I see is talk, talk, talk, and a can-kick MADem Sep 2015 #27
Oh give it a rest -- I told you i don't feel like a nyah nyah match Armstead Sep 2015 #28
How could they "try again with a better plan?" MADem Sep 2015 #29
Excuses, excuses....there's always excuses. The All Powerful GOP Armstead Sep 2015 #30
You were either too young or your memory is short. MADem Sep 2015 #31
I wish I were too young Armstead Sep 2015 #36
I don't think either Clinton was a scared bunny rabbit. MADem Sep 2015 #38
well said Armstead LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #43
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THE GOP, they are such a handy scapegoat! slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #32
good thing that LBJ didn't give up on his stuff becase of stupid opposition or civl rights roguevalley Sep 2015 #35
Not. The. Same. MADem Sep 2015 #40
If health care abject failure is the topic here, then Hillary wrote the book. roguevalley Sep 2015 #34
OK, cough up "the plan" then. Don't talk in generalities--get us to the place MADem Sep 2015 #41
Okay for what it's worth.... Armstead Sep 2015 #44
That's not real single payer, though. That's more like a hybrid approach. MADem Sep 2015 #45
It's not single payer -- that;s fine wth me Armstead Sep 2015 #46
Well, I think ACA was the first step on a long journey. MADem Sep 2015 #47
Majority still supports single-payer option, poll finds Wilms Sep 2015 #6
Looks like health care satisfaction has been trending DOWNWARD since that poll was taken. MADem Sep 2015 #18
Not hard to find Mnpaul Sep 2015 #9
The support has been there for years, but the corporate media and corporate candidates dismiss ... slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #10
Sorry. Socialism is not a winning platform in the General. redstateblues Sep 2015 #4
Yeah Corporate Oligarchy is much more popular Armstead Sep 2015 #8
They used to call that proposal HILLARYCARE. How soon people forget...! MADem Sep 2015 #14
Amen -- But that'll go through one ear and out the other with some Armstead Sep 2015 #7
And with some it makes a stop in a Waring blender and shot out their pie hole with enough english Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #25
They keep trying, and it's just not working because McCarthyism is from history, and not a very part sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #22
I agree, thanks for posting! nt. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #26
Why Congress Did Not Enact Health Care Reform - 1995 slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #37
If we voted with our minds instead of our emotion, we would not be in this mess. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #39
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