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MADem

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38. I don't think either Clinton was a scared bunny rabbit.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 02:51 AM
Sep 2015

There was nothing to be done with that gridlock, and to characterize them as scared/unable is just wrong.

That was the worst it's ever been--it's why some of the procedural rules in the House and Senate were changed; to make it harder for any one group to be total assholes.

It's not a question of people not "liking" us or being scared--it's appealing to a majority of people. And any time "the people" perceive that the government has their hand in their wallets, they aren't happy. That is NOT a winning look--unless you have no money and you're counting on someone else's money to pay your way. Then, it sounds just swell!

I'm not saying we can't do it, but we sure as hell can't do it with bullshit sunshine, lollipops and rainbows and wishing and hoping. VERMONT proved that. They QUIT, they GAVE UP. They couldn't make the math work.

We need a PLAN--not words, not blah-blah-blah, not "we should"--but an actual plan. First thing we need to do is develop a formulary of affordable drugs--that's one of the biggest blocks to affording health care. The government should look to the MILITARY for this--they have a wide ranging formulary and they rarely have to go outside it. Then we have to find a way to do it WAY WAY CHEAPER than VT--because people just aren't willing to pay that kind of dough. It's not a "can't - couldn't - never" thing....it's a cheap assholes thing--and no amount of "leadership" is going to make people put up with a ten percent or greater rise in their tax burden.

If the price doesn't come way down, give it up. That's plain truth.

Really? How many times has the GOP voted to try and repeal Obamacare? MADem Sep 2015 #1
Really? How many times has the GOP managed to repeal Obamacare? Wilms Sep 2015 #3
Look, you're acting like the whole of America is ENAMOURED of Obamacare--they aren't. MADem Sep 2015 #11
I live in the sticks in Alaska and the governor by himself pushed through the expansion roguevalley Sep 2015 #33
That's good. But that's a long, long way from single payer. MADem Sep 2015 #42
Show me polling that suggests majority support for Single Payer Health Care brooklynite Sep 2015 #2
Here you go... Bjorn Against Sep 2015 #5
Hmm. So half the country agrees with what FLOTUS Hillary Clinton was saying back in the 90s! nt MADem Sep 2015 #12
She was hardly the only person supporting universal care Armstead Sep 2015 #13
Oh. PLEASE. She was the ONLY person heading up a TASK FORCE on the subject in 1993. MADem Sep 2015 #15
No it killed me at the time to watch them screw it up Armstead Sep 2015 #16
Yes, and "Bernie's" task force--they got it done? Never saw anything about that in the paper...? MADem Sep 2015 #17
He wasn't sitting on his ass, nor have millions of others Armstead Sep 2015 #19
He wasn't? What was he doing, besides running his mouth? Talk is cheap. MADem Sep 2015 #20
The failiure of Vermont;s system have nothing to do with Sanders Armstead Sep 2015 #21
Why was he trying to pass it off as a minor bump in the road, then, instead of the abject failure MADem Sep 2015 #23
Wellllll...maybe if we had a decent national systemm to support it..... Armstead Sep 2015 #24
Where's the ACTION? Hillary chaired a task force--all I see is talk, talk, talk, and a can-kick MADem Sep 2015 #27
Oh give it a rest -- I told you i don't feel like a nyah nyah match Armstead Sep 2015 #28
How could they "try again with a better plan?" MADem Sep 2015 #29
Excuses, excuses....there's always excuses. The All Powerful GOP Armstead Sep 2015 #30
You were either too young or your memory is short. MADem Sep 2015 #31
I wish I were too young Armstead Sep 2015 #36
I don't think either Clinton was a scared bunny rabbit. MADem Sep 2015 #38
well said Armstead LeftOfWest Sep 2015 #43
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THE GOP, they are such a handy scapegoat! slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #32
good thing that LBJ didn't give up on his stuff becase of stupid opposition or civl rights roguevalley Sep 2015 #35
Not. The. Same. MADem Sep 2015 #40
If health care abject failure is the topic here, then Hillary wrote the book. roguevalley Sep 2015 #34
OK, cough up "the plan" then. Don't talk in generalities--get us to the place MADem Sep 2015 #41
Okay for what it's worth.... Armstead Sep 2015 #44
That's not real single payer, though. That's more like a hybrid approach. MADem Sep 2015 #45
It's not single payer -- that;s fine wth me Armstead Sep 2015 #46
Well, I think ACA was the first step on a long journey. MADem Sep 2015 #47
Majority still supports single-payer option, poll finds Wilms Sep 2015 #6
Looks like health care satisfaction has been trending DOWNWARD since that poll was taken. MADem Sep 2015 #18
Not hard to find Mnpaul Sep 2015 #9
The support has been there for years, but the corporate media and corporate candidates dismiss ... slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #10
Sorry. Socialism is not a winning platform in the General. redstateblues Sep 2015 #4
Yeah Corporate Oligarchy is much more popular Armstead Sep 2015 #8
They used to call that proposal HILLARYCARE. How soon people forget...! MADem Sep 2015 #14
Amen -- But that'll go through one ear and out the other with some Armstead Sep 2015 #7
And with some it makes a stop in a Waring blender and shot out their pie hole with enough english Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #25
They keep trying, and it's just not working because McCarthyism is from history, and not a very part sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #22
I agree, thanks for posting! nt. Juicy_Bellows Sep 2015 #26
Why Congress Did Not Enact Health Care Reform - 1995 slipslidingaway Sep 2015 #37
If we voted with our minds instead of our emotion, we would not be in this mess. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #39
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