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74. For me, not ignoring policy...I think she's lying about actually doing any of it if elected. n/t

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Why do Hillary bashers continually ignore policy? [View all] DanTex Sep 2015 OP

Platform means crap. She has a long enough history in public life HERVEPA Sep 2015 #1

She does have a long history as a progressive, that's true, but I think that DanTex Sep 2015 #4

Current platform means shit, and she is progressive on many things and not so on others. HERVEPA Sep 2015 #11

and that's where the trust factor really matters alc Sep 2015 #15

what's so progressive DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #43

Like I said. Picking a few small issues and ignoring the bulk of her record and platform. DanTex Sep 2015 #47

ignoring the bulk DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #66

Pretending that something like Glass-Steagall is a "cyanide pill" is stupid. DanTex Sep 2015 #69

so is DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #78

Hillary and O'Malley are the biggest agents of change we have.... SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #2

Just like bombs never made it out of congress artislife Sep 2015 #13

Well you got to get your hopes up somehow upaloopa Sep 2015 #3

Except we aren't tearing her down - we're asking questions Barky Bark Sep 2015 #94

Stick around a while .. I've seen some really crazy made up stuff Persondem Sep 2015 #95

We're too busy examining the skin color of people at her events. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #5

LOL! in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #23

Last time I saw someone spin this hard, they got owned by Bugs Bunny Scootaloo Sep 2015 #6

A good example of what I'm talking about. Ignoring policy, attacking me personally. DanTex Sep 2015 #10

No, DanTex, callong your argument spin is not a personal attack Scootaloo Sep 2015 #14

Glass Steagall repeal is NOT a minor issue. It's the biggest domestic policy change of the past 25 y reformist2 Sep 2015 #7

Yes it did, and no, it did not lead to the financial crisis. DanTex Sep 2015 #18

You say the housing bubble... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #96

And there you are: it's a symbol Recursion Sep 2015 #97

But the core issue is... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #98

She has pushed fracking, increasing H-1B visas, seems eager to put (others') boots on the djean111 Sep 2015 #8

Good to see you back at it. artislife Sep 2015 #9

Yes, and good to see you still ignoring policy. DanTex Sep 2015 #12

Le sigh artislife Sep 2015 #17

Yes, dumb misleading images with checkmarks. That's pretty much the depth of "policy" DanTex Sep 2015 #21

Aw...trying to make it easy for you artislife Sep 2015 #26

I still haven't seen much that suggests that any Hillary basher has even looked at her platform once DanTex Sep 2015 #31

So explain in detail why she is BETTER than Bernie on H-1B, H-2B "guest worker" programs... cascadiance Sep 2015 #48

And by the numerous OPs and posts artislife Sep 2015 #49

we simply do not believe her "new and improved policy" questionseverything Sep 2015 #59

Raising taxes on the rich? How much? Hedge funds too? randys1 Sep 2015 #16

Yes, capital gains taxes, and also closing the carried interest loophole for hedge fund managers. DanTex Sep 2015 #20

What kind of progressive calls Henry Kissinger their bff? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #27

Again with the Kissinger thing. I covered that in the OP. DanTex Sep 2015 #33

No, you haven't explained how a real progressive can be bff with Kissinger. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #35

Why do Clinton supporters discount her record? AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #19

I don't. She's got a progressive record. She and Bernie voted the same way some 90%+ of the time. DanTex Sep 2015 #24

It's the ten percent that matters! nt artislife Sep 2015 #28

That pretty much sums up my point. People ignore the bulk of her record and focus on a few minor DanTex Sep 2015 #32

If there are one hundred eggs artislife Sep 2015 #50

Now we're getting somewhere. Personally, I'm for Hillary because of electability. DanTex Sep 2015 #54

I quibble with your idea that Hillary is the better choice for electability artislife Sep 2015 #55

Fair enough. Our assessments of the political climate and the electorate are different. DanTex Sep 2015 #56

NO, they focus on issues that Korporate Media and Korporate politicians are paid to ignore! cascadiance Sep 2015 #52

On matters of foreign/economic/environmental policy, she is no progressive. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #29

"So Mrs. Lincoln, you enjoyed 90+% of the play?" n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #34

Her record is just a checkbox. jeff47 Sep 2015 #40

She does certain things HassleCat Sep 2015 #22

It's a non-starter with the IWR vote. in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #25

Because policy needs to be viewed through the prism of her record and past statements ram2008 Sep 2015 #30

And her record and past statements are also strongly progressive. DanTex Sep 2015 #36

"A few" These are the most critical and crucial stances... ram2008 Sep 2015 #39

No they aren't. The only reason that Hillary bashers talk about them so much DanTex Sep 2015 #42

Why settle for half, when you can get the real deal with Bernie? ram2008 Sep 2015 #46

It's way more than half, which is my point. DanTex Sep 2015 #51

Electability is always held out as the "big reason" to vote for Hillary. cascadiance Sep 2015 #60

Sure, people can disagree about electability. I just don't see Bernie being able to beat the GOP, DanTex Sep 2015 #64

The last time we had conditions like we have now in terms of the economy was back when FDR ran... cascadiance Sep 2015 #83

We're seeing more and more than money doesn't win ram2008 Sep 2015 #61

I haven't really seen evidence of that. DanTex Sep 2015 #67

A fear based campaign won't work ram2008 Sep 2015 #81

Spending more money by both parties just has disgusted voters STAYING HOME!! cascadiance Sep 2015 #85

I think it's the "Hillary is ELECTABLE" meme that most frightens me. SheilaT Sep 2015 #108

OK, ONE issue that she and both Obama support, which is TPA being passed... cascadiance Sep 2015 #58

According to google, Clinton came out against TPA this time around. DanTex Sep 2015 #62

So turning over our court's constitutional authority to CORPORATE ISDS courts is not a "big deal"... cascadiance Sep 2015 #88

"assad must go" DonCoquixote Sep 2015 #44

yes and look at the misery caused in the ME questionseverything Sep 2015 #65

You just can't get some people to go in the deep end of the pool. ellisonz Sep 2015 #37

her record of support for invading Iraq, for turning the U.S. into a surveilance state... mike_c Sep 2015 #38

Yes, you're doing what I said. Picking out a few issues where you don't like her DanTex Sep 2015 #41

those aren't just "a few issues that I don't like..." mike_c Sep 2015 #45

+1000 HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #91

Because I can't believe a word that comes out of her mouth and current polling reflects that view Purveyor Sep 2015 #53

In general she would be good on policy PATRICK Sep 2015 #57

She's given some fine proposals. Her history is lackluster though. morningfog Sep 2015 #63

Why does Hillary keep avoiding stating her policies and/or needs to evolve on policies? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #68

She has stated her policies. As she promised, she would roll out details as the campaign progressed DanTex Sep 2015 #70

So, what's her policies on the TPP? Fracking? Breaking up banks? Raising taxes on the rich? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #71

Don't know yet about the first two, for TPP it probably depends in what's in it, DanTex Sep 2015 #72

Well, jkbRN Sep 2015 #73

Not sure what those have to do with each other. Does the Princeton study have anything to say DanTex Sep 2015 #75

Really? jkbRN Sep 2015 #89

For me, not ignoring policy...I think she's lying about actually doing any of it if elected. n/t Chan790 Sep 2015 #74

That's a form of ignoring policy due to personal animosity. DanTex Sep 2015 #76

No, it's not. Chan790 Sep 2015 #80

Once again DanTex takes on the Hillary bashers redstateblues Sep 2015 #90

You chose to compliment the OP based on his logic in post 76? DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #100

Because platforms have trap doors HassleCat Sep 2015 #77

It's okay DanTex Android3.14 Sep 2015 #79

Amazing Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #82

I don't ignore her policy points. I just don't believe her. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2015 #84

On the issue of gun control Bernie voted against the Brady Bill. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #86

IWR vs. AUMF... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #99

Let's be straight here, it is a well known fact Bush wanted to invade Iraq before he was elected. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #103

Let's be straight here... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #104

Your opinion, I have a different one. Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #105

End mass incarceration while swimming in private prison lobbyist bux. Right. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #87

And rolled that platform over and over and over JackInGreen Sep 2015 #92

Projection AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #93

The same ones cite Sanders policy like it's carved in stone. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #101

Keep posting the good stuff on Hill. It's refreshing. oasis Sep 2015 #102

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Autumn Sep 2015 #106

Actually, it is policy plus past actions and positions. It is also mmonk Sep 2015 #107