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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Forget Sanders and Clinton for a moment. This is a symbolic schism that has been long brewing [View all]workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)92. Things will never be better for the 99%
In this country until we stop the pax America empire and it's enabler the MIC.
We spend an insane amount of money on our military and maintain bases all over the world.
It's easy for the rest of the industrialized world to have great social programs for their citizens when we pick up the lions share of their defense costs
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Forget Sanders and Clinton for a moment. This is a symbolic schism that has been long brewing [View all]
Armstead
Sep 2015
OP
There are Conservative Populists, Moderate Populists, Liberal Populists, Progressive Populists
Skwmom
Sep 2015
#11
I think the OP is correct about the split in the party. The DLC/Third Way takeover
sabrina 1
Sep 2015
#17
Your posts are full of attacks on your fellow DUers, express and implied, DUers who had not yet
merrily
Sep 2015
#188
Traditional Democrats were not the ones who initiated the division. The DLCers/New Democrats did.
merrily
Sep 2015
#186
Truth is, we need a different term. Liberal does have a component of laissez faire corporatism,
merrily
Sep 2015
#185
Well yeah but....I thin k a lot of people have no idea of what traditional Democrat is anymore
Armstead
Sep 2015
#237
Merrily, liberal is also 1 of 2 or 3 basic personality types. You could reject it because
Hortensis
Sep 2015
#275
Wow. Condescend much? You think we don't know about forging alliances or about Bernie?
merrily
Sep 2015
#190
I think middle ground exists, but the middle is not where DLC types say it is.
merrily
Sep 2015
#191
Okay, so like Armstead, you see corporate mergers as being the problem?
ConservativeDemocrat
Sep 2015
#141
Your pedantic claim that only you live "in the real world" is tiresome bullshit
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#219
One, thank you very much. And I reiterate, your claim is pedantic, tiresome, condescending bullshit
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#262
None of those things are the reasons why McGovern lost that election. And, this ain't 1972.
merrily
Sep 2015
#192
Yes. So stop ignoring the real reasons why McGovern lost and the real differences between 1972 and
merrily
Sep 2015
#196
I no longer attempt substantive replies to in the face of insulting, arrogant posts.
merrily
Sep 2015
#201
Most people who are looking at the polls believe that Clinton will be the nominee
Gothmog
Sep 2015
#255
Thanks, malokvale77. I never have a problem with anyone's disagreement on issues, even if
merrily
Sep 2015
#225
Yes: See 2010 and 2014 for the effects of running candidates unwilling to take
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#220
Nationwide polls? They show that, given a real choice, Americans are more liberal than the 3rd way
merrily
Sep 2015
#193
I certainly felt this schism back in 2008 when Edwards left the race then...
cascadiance
Sep 2015
#75
As did many of us, who liked that he was speaking more on many of the inequality issues directly...
cascadiance
Sep 2015
#134
Edwards, who was a third way legislator, was a slick talking snake oil salesman. JMO
merrily
Sep 2015
#198
A schism has been in the Party since Lincoln. FDR, HST, JFK and LBJ all dealt with it.
merrily
Sep 2015
#195
The problem we have is that we must draw the line somewhere. If Clinton wins the WH
rhett o rick
Sep 2015
#118
Sorry, I don't think Conservative Democrat is right at all. Compare earlier posts in the Bernie
merrily
Sep 2015
#203
name calling? didn't you post up thread that liberals are actually communists who are
Doctor_J
Sep 2015
#152
Their name calling of us doesn't count, only our criticism of a professional politician on issues
merrily
Sep 2015
#211
"Pro-Business" is a Liberal capitalist. "Corporatist" is a Conservative capitalist.
ieoeja
Sep 2015
#76
So where did you get the idea that Secretary Clinton is a "Conservative Capitalist" ?
ConservativeDemocrat
Sep 2015
#82
So why is the ACA healthcare a modern version of conservative GOP Romneycare?
Armstead
Sep 2015
#105
Romneycare was modeled on Billarycare, which was modeled on Heritage Foundationcare, which was
merrily
Sep 2015
#206
so spot on -- it's about leveling the playing field so everyone can compete.
nashville_brook
Sep 2015
#233
Sorry, I'm not following. Who do you mean by "we?" Democratic politicians or Democratic voters?
merrily
Sep 2015
#215
Not woo. Your post could have been about me. Of course I have not a spec of woo.
Enthusiast
Sep 2015
#120
War has risks, well, winning a war requires taking risks, though, of course, one
merrily
Sep 2015
#218
American's now know that Wall St. isn't interested in solving economic and societal problems.
jalan48
Sep 2015
#19
I disagree. First of all, the large majority of Dems like both Hillary and Bernie.
DanTex
Sep 2015
#23
So what's the problem with Hillary then? She's basically the same place policy-wise.
DanTex
Sep 2015
#64
Those are labels, not policies. As far as gay marriage, again she's the same as Obama,
DanTex
Sep 2015
#67
It is a pretty brroad casting of the support of Hillary to say it is all "corporate"
Cosmocat
Sep 2015
#70
HRC - Is A DLCer & Obligated To Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - A Favorite Friend Of The 1%
cantbeserious
Sep 2015
#24
I agree, and I would like to say that I think that Bernie is not talking about a socialist revolutio
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#34
My husband says people are for Bernie because they are against corpotate crime.
JDPriestly
Sep 2015
#36
"Sometimes it's been subtle and duplicitous, hidden behind nice innocuous words. "
RufusTFirefly
Sep 2015
#54
Doesn't matter...When GOP is in power they get what they want. When the GOP is out of power...
Armstead
Sep 2015
#62
Hillary hatched her own discontent by supporting a shitastic set of policies
LondonReign2
Sep 2015
#224
I disagree. Populists are not liberal and Populists are not Democratic or strongly democratic,.
Todays_Illusion
Sep 2015
#109
Populism itself is a fairly neutral term -- like all othrs open to interpretation
Armstead
Sep 2015
#148
The DLC/Third Way/Centrist faction cost us the House and the Senate and left Obama holding the bag!
Major Hogwash
Sep 2015
#149
I agree with you, we want a liberal not some fake liberal calling themselves populist.
Todays_Illusion
Sep 2015
#158
I see 2010 and 2014 as routs? Sorry, that is not exactly a subjective assessment.
merrily
Sep 2015
#240
I haven't forgotten how much I had before the Democratic Party went Third Way or what my vote was
mmonk
Sep 2015
#207