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jkbRN

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Tue Sep 29, 2015, 06:06 PM Sep 2015

Sanders vs. Clinton: Who Has the Best Plan for America's College Students? [View all]

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The differences between the college financing plans offered by Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are important - both for their impact on the middle class, and for what they tell us about the candidates and their governing philosophies.

Elementary and high school education is correctly seen as the bridge to a better future for young people. It is offered to all, at no cost, because we understand that society does better when the individuals within it do better.


The Sanders plan provides tuition-free public higher education to every qualified student. The Clinton plan does not.

The Sanders plan treats higher education the same way we have treated other forms of education in the past: Every young person who studies hard and succeeds in school should be able to get the education they need. By contrast, the Clinton plan charges tuition to middle-class students, using an as-yet unspecified formula based on a family's income.


The Clinton approach is unnecessarily complicated.

The Clinton plan is unnecessarily complicated and difficult to administer. It leaves a number of key questions open to manipulation by future politicians, such as: What are the thresholds for paying part of the tuition? What's a reasonable percent of family income to pay into the program?
Compare that to the simplicity and safety of a program like Social Security, which is run at very low administrative cost. If you qualify for its benefits, you receive them. We don't "means test" Social Security - and we shouldn't. We shouldn't do it for a public higher education, either.


The Clinton plan holds political risk.

The principles behind the Clinton plan seem closer to some of the Republican candidates' ideas than they do to those of great Democratic presidents like Franklin D. Roosevelt. Chris Christie, for example, wants to cut Social Security benefits for Americans earning over $80,000.

Another conservative group, the Concord Coalition, proposed that Social Security benefits be cut for any family whose annual income exceeds $40,000 per year - and that includes both Social Security benefits and the cash value of their Medicare protection!

That's the problem with ideas like these. Once the door is open, there's always the possibility that politicians will use them to shift costs to the middle class.


The Clinton plan also requires middle-class students to work as well as study, something their wealthier peers won't be required to do.

The Clinton plan also forces students who receive financial aid to work 10 hours a week, in addition to keeping up with their coursework.

College is a time for study and achievement. It can also be competitive. Students who are forced to comply with Clinton's 10-hour-per week work requirement - which is 1/4th of a full-time job - will carry a heavy burden of time and effort. Wealthy students won't share that burden because their parents are paying full tuition.

"I'm not going to give free college to kids who don't work some hours to try to put their own effort into their education," says Hillary Clinton. But nothing is being "given." Students must work hard and achieve academic success in order to be accepted to college. This seems like an oddly judgmental framing, especially if we believe that higher education and hard work are the doors to opportunity and improvement - for each individual student, and for society as a whole.


The Clinton plan doesn't ask enough of the rich. It places a financial burden on the middle class instead.

It's sometimes possible to make a burden on the middle class sound like a progressive idea. Chris Christie ludicrously claimed that "the left are defending the rich," for example, because progressives want to protect and expand Social Security benefits for everyone. (He didn't mention the fact that progressives want "the rich" to pay their fair share in taxes to cover it.)

Hillary Clinton defends her college plan by saying that "I am not going to give free college education to wealthy kids." And yet Social Security, Medicare, public elementary and high schools, the federal highway system, and a host of other programs are also available to all who qualify.


The Clinton plan is not a "no debt" program.

While it has been described as a plan for eliminating student debt, the Clinton plan is highly unlikely to accomplish that goal. Middle-class families are struggling to make ends meet - a situation that already forced many to take on debt. Any plan which adds to their costs by charging for college tuition will inevitably force some cash-strapped families to take on additional debt.


The Sanders plan is a mainstream, practical and smart proposal.

The Sanders plan, by contrast, lies squarely in the line of great initiatives like Social Security. And it's not a new idea. The University of California offered free tuition to all in-state residents until the 1980s. The average tuition fee at a four-year public university in 1965 was only $243. Many of the best colleges, including the City University of New York, charged no tuition at all.

Germany eliminated tuition at public universities last year because they understood that their modest fees - roughly $1,300 per year - discouraged qualified students from going to college. Other countries are doing the same.
In the end, the difference between these two plans isn't just financial. It also reflects different views of ourselves as a nation, and different attitudes toward the middle class and the young.



The Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/sanders-vs-clinton-who-ha_b_8216290.html
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Pretty much sums it up. Thanks for posting! HerbChestnut Sep 2015 #1
best plan is to de-privatize them and go back to government funded and operated. worked fine for msongs Sep 2015 #2
Martin O'Malley, DEBT FREE COLLEGE elleng Sep 2015 #3
Honest question, jkbRN Sep 2015 #9
several pieces: elleng Sep 2015 #13
So, it's not debt free? jkbRN Sep 2015 #21
It is not magically debt free immediately. elleng Sep 2015 #23
I see, the title of your first comment is jkbRN Sep 2015 #24
Yes, that's how the campaign labels it. elleng Sep 2015 #29
I am the OP, jkbRN Sep 2015 #32
Yes, you are! Sorry I didn't recognize that! elleng Sep 2015 #35
No worries! I've always liked omalleys plan jkbRN Sep 2015 #38
Glad you like his plan. elleng Sep 2015 #39
Pick a plan, pick an issue. No matter what it is Bernie wins, hands down. Autumn Sep 2015 #4
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #5
Yet another issue where both Sanders and O'Malley hifiguy Sep 2015 #6
The President does not write tax policy upaloopa Sep 2015 #7
I would rather fight for a plan that I believe in jkbRN Sep 2015 #11
Fine eat pie in the sky upaloopa Sep 2015 #15
for people... ibegurpard Sep 2015 #18
Yes, I vote based on ideas jkbRN Sep 2015 #22
I say this a lot here. We all look st the same upaloopa Sep 2015 #46
Clinton's plan also requires Congress. jeff47 Sep 2015 #14
Hillary's plan has a better chance of getting through upaloopa Sep 2015 #17
No, zero is the same as zero. jeff47 Sep 2015 #20
Clinton wants to 'bend the cost curve' in higher education-Hillary Clinton’s college affordability p riversedge Sep 2015 #26
You are like living in a fantasy world jkbRN Sep 2015 #27
Personally , I think bernie is a PosterChild Sep 2015 #43
how refreshing. at last a pro Bernie post that doesn't involve screaming HRC is a demon from Hell. Bill USA Sep 2015 #8
Somebody has to pay for it. I have no problem with families that can afford it paying. Hoyt Sep 2015 #10
So make those families pay via taxes. jeff47 Sep 2015 #12
I think woth either candidates plan, wealthier people would have to pay mire in taxed. Hoyt Sep 2015 #19
Do you really think congress would pass anything that Hillary wants? jkbRN Sep 2015 #30
She's practical enough to get something of value, even if she has to threaten Hoyt Sep 2015 #33
If you have the photos then you go for the deal you want or probably even better TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #40
Richard (RJ) is a writer and editor with the Bernie 2016 campaign, riversedge Sep 2015 #16
K & R!!! beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #25
Can we see Sanders plan? BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #28
Sounds like a biased interpretation Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #31
+1. Again, I applaud him for wanting to do those things. He's just not realistic. Hoyt Sep 2015 #36
Hum, seems like Bernie's plan helps the 1%, funny how that works, everyone getting free college, Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #34
Sanders clearly! Fearless Sep 2015 #37
K&R Paka Sep 2015 #41
Sanders clearly has a better GOAL skepticscott Sep 2015 #42
+100 !! (NT) PosterChild Sep 2015 #44
Hillary is just trying to teach those lazy poor people the work ethic. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #45
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