2016 Postmortem

DebJ

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24. That's weird. I've not heard Bernie refer to himself as an 'outsider'.

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Sanders: I won't be as naïve as Obama was with Congress [View all] kpete Sep 2015 OP

Well, remember, if Obama had done what ANY white guy could have done, he would have randys1 Sep 2015 #1

I agree randys, Obama did have an additional psychological and sociological encumbrance. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #3

the OP is a lie. Sanders never called Obama "naive" uhnope Sep 2015 #164

I know Bernie didn't, he just said that Obama made a mistake. n/t Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #165

That is so true. But he has laid the ground work for us by jwirr Sep 2015 #4

Remember this? portlander23 Sep 2015 #5

the guy literally could not win dorkzilla Sep 2015 #17

then I guess all of the above roguevalley Sep 2015 #100

That protected list is just a fine whine... dorkzilla Sep 2015 #119

+1 whathehell Sep 2015 #161

He should not have cared what such morons said or thought. They don't think. We need to get over sabrina 1 Sep 2015 #102

"Make THEM fear those who are RIGHT. " /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Sep 2015 #118

He should have ignored their 'potential' branding AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #147

"Getting angry" wasn't an option, but pushing for chained CPI-E wasn't required. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #9

Better angry than chump. TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #11

He was branded a socialist communist Muslim Kenyan born terrorist Nazi jfern Sep 2015 #13

How do you know? highprincipleswork Sep 2015 #28

Amen. Snap the Turtle Sep 2015 #61

Yea, bernie will just wave his magic wand and Republicans will fall at his feet. leftofcool Sep 2015 #129

Have you noticed yet that you are the only one making that claim? jeff47 Sep 2015 #132

So there are only two possible paths? AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #148

Like I say, propaganda highprincipleswork Sep 2015 #163

I agree. n/t ms liberty Sep 2015 #29

I don't think any Democrat would have had an easy time getting anything done. EEO Sep 2015 #46

+1 eom Duval Sep 2015 #169

So he should have risked offending the Republicans and the right. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #49

Played it SAFE? randys1 Sep 2015 #159

Boosted charter schools; allowed banks to foreclose on Americans and then buy the properties JDPriestly Sep 2015 #162

You weren't supposed to notice any of that dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #171

The president started out with a democratic congress yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #81

Absolutely correct! leftofcool Sep 2015 #130

Obama was stuck on bipartisan dreams and kept pushing that whole trope to the point of Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #2

I think I know were he was coming from. My family is also jwirr Sep 2015 #6

Hey, even Rodney King asked "Can't we all just get along?" nt kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #72

Yes, hope that things will get better seems to be buried jwirr Sep 2015 #124

However, the answer, when faced by the drooling morons that make up the Republican LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #135

And he would punt on first down AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #93

obama enid602 Sep 2015 #7

Yes, I love how a guy who couldn't get anything passed in the senate now wants to tell Obama how its stevenleser Sep 2015 #8

What crap. bvf Sep 2015 #50

LOL, your own links prove it. Exactly one bill by each of them was enacted. All the rest have not stevenleser Sep 2015 #54

It proves your subject line is a pure lie. bvf Sep 2015 #59

Only if you use logic twisted into a Gordian knot. The two are ineffectual senators and your links stevenleser Sep 2015 #62

Well, if you can't explain your lies, bvf Sep 2015 #69

It's always a riot JackInGreen Sep 2015 #95

he offered the amendment that got us a one time in history fed audit questionseverything Sep 2015 #78

Yes. bvf Sep 2015 #92

And never, ever, ever admit to beign wrong LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #137

Sanders was amendment king in the House jfern Sep 2015 #107

Please tell us about all the bills that Hillary proposed and got passed in Congress. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #51

Nope, Fail. Bernie is the one claiming he can do better than Obama. None of the rest of what you stevenleser Sep 2015 #53

Bernie knows the members of Congress, Republicans and Democrats. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #60

And that familiarity has done nothing for Bernie but breed contempt. None of them support him. stevenleser Sep 2015 #65

Which explains why three of his bills bvf Sep 2015 #71

They will when he is president. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #77

Anyone could AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #150

i can live without "compromises" like the welfare "reform" questionseverything Sep 2015 #74

Yes. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #76

Ummm...that was with a Democratic Congress, duh. DebJ Sep 2015 #23

naive? enid602 Sep 2015 #36

+1, FDR had an 83% progressive congress and LBJ had a 71% progressive congress... progressive uponit7771 Sep 2015 #41

Are you sure about this? JDPriestly Sep 2015 #55

you're right enid602 Sep 2015 #67

+1, at some level that line Bernie is pushing is full of shit uponit7771 Sep 2015 #39

Ummm...he has been in Congress for decades. What has he done? Evergreen Emerald Sep 2015 #10

That's weird. I've not heard Bernie refer to himself as an 'outsider'. DebJ Sep 2015 #24

Have you NOT seen the picture of Sanders leading the 4 billion person march for Single Payer?!?!?!? uponit7771 Sep 2015 #40

stuff enid602 Sep 2015 #70

yeap, someone said he's captain obvious and that's what it looks like for now. Still think he'd be uponit7771 Sep 2015 #73

Congress.gov is available for you to paruse. jeff47 Sep 2015 #133

... progressoid Sep 2015 #158

Nobody forced him to give away the Public Option behind closed doors. He was either naive or he GoneFishin Sep 2015 #12

I believe that Lieberman was the one who helped kill that Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #30

I was. But looking at recent rate hikes it looks like the rates are back up to about 60% of where GoneFishin Sep 2015 #79

Congress was on the cusp on approving it however Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2015 #173

He had no difficulty twisting Dennis Kucinich's arm to get what he wanted. That feigned impotence GoneFishin Oct 2015 #174

As far as ACA goes Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2015 #175

Single payer/public option was given away behind closed doors before the start, not near the end. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #176

he dropped it because it was clear it wouldnt pass. period. mopinko Sep 2015 #125

Uh-huh GoneFishin Sep 2015 #126

we had a good house bill,all we had to do was use reconciliation or the 50 vote threshold questionseverything Sep 2015 #149

So an ineffective Senator telling a Democratic President he shouldn't compromise. leftofcool Sep 2015 #14

Wrong and UNcool floriduck Sep 2015 #31

OK, but how will Bernie get legislation out of a GOP House book_worm Sep 2015 #15

Read the article. He has no idea himself. BlueWaveDem Sep 2015 #18

The bully pulpit thing is a non starter redstateblues Sep 2015 #32

Teddy Roosevelt used it quite successfully. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #57

The Republicans will cower I'm sure redstateblues Sep 2015 #86

The only way to do that is to give the American voters something to vote for. The Third Way, JDPriestly Sep 2015 #91

The Bully Pulpit is the only way to get things done AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #94

"Sanders didn't have a firm answer on how he would more successfully broker those deals." So.... bettyellen Sep 2015 #96

Those weren't deals AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #151

Well, he's gotten more bills/amendments passed through this Congress than any Democrat jeff47 Sep 2015 #134

How will Hillary get legislation out of the House? On what issue/votes are Republicans LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #138

Bernie is being polite Hydra Sep 2015 #16

yep. Phlem Sep 2015 #19

11 dimensional chess: lose 63 House seats so that your base jfern Sep 2015 #20

11-dimensional chess finally makes sense! nashville_brook Sep 2015 #25

I always posited that the people claiming 11th D chess Hydra Sep 2015 #27

...+1 840high Sep 2015 #35

actually the DNC was *relieved* when Brown took Massachusetts because with the Supermajority MisterP Sep 2015 #90

Yep. Pelosi, Reid, and BO twisted themselves into knots making excuses as to why single payer GoneFishin Sep 2015 #80

From his mouth to in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #21

keep the truth alive bernie AnAzulTexas Sep 2015 #22

So, what is his plan to not be "naive" with Congress? Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #26

I want to see a plan to win back the state houses redstateblues Sep 2015 #34

The answer to your question is out there. floriduck Sep 2015 #37

Sanders will be mean and growl and revolt and snort and shit. Nothing, I've been asking for months.. uponit7771 Sep 2015 #43

How will Clinton deal with the gerrymandered Congress? LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #139

Sanders comes right out and tellls us what his plan is: JDPriestly Sep 2015 #58

cause GOP cares about "movements" really!? Also, when has Sanders ever done this!? I don't remember uponit7771 Sep 2015 #66

I agree that the Republicans need to be put out of office, and that is why I support Sanders JDPriestly Sep 2015 #75

The debates will help clarify their differences. Duval Sep 2015 #170

It's very simple AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #101

Obama was 2008's Jimmy Carter. gvstn Sep 2015 #33

He was too interested in his "Legacy" of being the person who united the Partisans Hydra Sep 2015 #89

I support Bernie but I thnk Obama will go down in history as a great President Live and Learn Sep 2015 #113

I agree. gvstn Sep 2015 #117

The main question Sanders and his supporters REFUSE to address .... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #38

How will any Dem President get anything done right now with.... yourout Sep 2015 #42

crickets. Phlem Sep 2015 #44

Crickets is what I hear from Sanders supporters on how in the hell is he going to do anything uponit7771 Sep 2015 #48

Whatever chief. Phlem Sep 2015 #52

I don't here from Sanders what you know, he's either not aware of how congress works or... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #56

Wow! Phlem Sep 2015 #63

Who is DWS? ... and Hillary isn't promising pink unicorns uponit7771 Sep 2015 #68

Pink unicorrns? Who asked for that? Live and Learn Sep 2015 #106

the people who say single payer was possible... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #120

So other countries have pink unicorns then? nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #144

Who is DWS? Wow, you are either really naive, or not being sincere. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #114

More overt condescension, typical Sander supporter retort uponit7771 Sep 2015 #121

The Dallas Wind Symphony. bvf Sep 2015 #116

or I'll try not to live on DU with overtly condescending Bern victims who know what esoteric ... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #122

It would be way too easy to respond in kind bvf Sep 2015 #123

or Debates Were Silenced dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #172

Crickets is what we get because you won't answer what Hillary will accomplish LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #140

+1, I would love to take back those seats but don't see how it can happen with such a gerrymandered uponit7771 Sep 2015 #47

So a republican Congress will cooperate with Hillary? HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #85

Good. Obama let the Republicans punch him in the face for months over healthcare legislation. EEO Sep 2015 #45

hmm Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #63

Does anyone really believe President Obama was naive in dealing with republicans? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #82

Would you prefer to believe he likes chained CPI for Social Security? (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #136

Why do "Democrats" pretend that was not a strategic move ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #145

It was a strategic move to compromise with Republicans. Who were not willing to compromise. jeff47 Sep 2015 #146

Did you read what I wrote? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #153

Yes. You're doing an excellent job rewriting history jeff47 Sep 2015 #154

Re-write history? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #156

Naive? Is this why Bernie has gotten so many bills passed in Congress? Thinkingabout Sep 2015 #83

Well this will get interesting. Autumn Sep 2015 #84

Very early on I had similar thoughts about Obama. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #87

All Presidents learn the hard way about limits BeyondGeography Sep 2015 #88

Keep talking, Sanders. Bashing Obama is a great way to get black voters. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #97

Hillary blamed Obama for the rise of ISIS. That can't be good for her. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #98

Your concern is duly noted. nt SunSeeker Sep 2015 #99

And yours is duly noted as hypocrisy. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #103

I have expressed no concern about Sanders bashing Obama. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #109

I see you proudly claim the dark-side. As so, it is no surprise you Live and Learn Sep 2015 #110

Keep pretending that was a bash. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #105

Obama had 24 working days of a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. SunSeeker Sep 2015 #108

Obama had the people on his side and he din't use it. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #111

Unfortunately, "the people" don't control Congress leftofcool Sep 2015 #127

Obama did a better job than I expected gwheezie Sep 2015 #104

Sure, go with Hillary then, WalMart board members are notorious for getting things done. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #112

We will and she will get thing done. leftofcool Sep 2015 #128

What things will she get done? Do tell, because it seems no Hillary supporter LondonReign2 Sep 2015 #141

Oh my did I compare Bernie to Hillary? gwheezie Sep 2015 #143

Don't think that Obama has been naive--he's just really, really interested in finding-- eridani Sep 2015 #115

A Bernie presidency would be a total failure and guarantee moobu2 Sep 2015 #131

But but but bully pulpit redstateblues Sep 2015 #142

You forgot the part about ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #155

Very good observation by Sanders. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #152

"Naive Obama" zappaman Sep 2015 #157

Couldn't agree more. Vinca Sep 2015 #160

Sanders is right Blasphemer Sep 2015 #166

I agree. Maineman Sep 2015 #167

The late Bartcop said it all those years ago: DAngelo136 Sep 2015 #168