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NCTraveler

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7. The Ron Paul Revolution is centered around a flat tax.

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 12:09 PM

Oct 2015

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Less than a half mile from my office, for the last ten plus years, has been an enormous wood painted sign stating "Ron Paul Revolution: Flat Tax"

I don't think Sanders wants a flat tax.

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The Revolution starts with a flat tax [View all] BainsBane Oct 2015 OP

We already use the FICA payroll tax to fund Social Security. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #1

Social Security is a retirement program BainsBane Oct 2015 #3

The family leave plan, just like Social Security splits the payment between employee and employeer PoliticAverse Oct 2015 #55

How is Hillary proposing to fund her family leave plan? nt mhatrw Oct 2015 #131

I'd like to see more on his plan. Agschmid Oct 2015 #2

I don't object to the idea it involves a tax increase BainsBane Oct 2015 #4

What's bothersome is superficial resemblance to system-wide libertarian cprise Oct 2015 #40

No, it's a way to spin this as something it completely isn't. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #73

I agree that this is not his tax plan. Agschmid Oct 2015 #95

Sanders apparently supports Senator Gillibrand's family leave plan which you can read about here... PoliticAverse Oct 2015 #53

If this is Senator Sanders idea of a revolution... zappaman Oct 2015 #5

.2% is shooting himself in the foot why exactly? TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #83

maybe he catches up to reality and finds that hill2016 Oct 2015 #6

Money grows on trees yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #58

Only if you are the military industrial complex AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #69

Well that's true. yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #74

SOAKING the rich? LOL! "Spoken" like a true merrily Oct 2015 #133

The Ron Paul Revolution is centered around a flat tax. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #7

Yet that is what he proposed yesterday. BainsBane Oct 2015 #8

I didn't see anything in that article saying this would be a flat tax. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2015 #9

It's .2 percent on everyone BainsBane Oct 2015 #10

A payroll tax is regressive - it's a tax on weekly or monthly paychecks, not on ALL income. George II Oct 2015 #16

Allow a 1%er to explain things to you... brooklynite Oct 2015 #37

Yes everyone rich or poor, pays income tax (except the very poor or low income)... George II Oct 2015 #39

As you suggest, Sanders is not in favor of replacing the progressive income tax with a flat tax karynnj Oct 2015 #12

Without even doing research, I wouldn't think Sanders is a "flat taxer." NCTraveler Oct 2015 #13

IMO He doesn't. Agschmid Oct 2015 #14

Then why did he propose it yesterday? BainsBane Oct 2015 #20

He didn't AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #71

The first article includes the video of his saying it BainsBane Oct 2015 #110

Combined with large progressive tax increases? cprise Oct 2015 #41

No, Ron does not want large progressive tax increases. Not sure where you got that from. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #43

(sigh) Bernie wants large progressive increases cprise Oct 2015 #45

Ahhh. That's why I didn't get it. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #46

Significant difference... Scootaloo Oct 2015 #79

this is just like the other payroll taxes - SS and Medicare karynnj Oct 2015 #11

Not calling it an income tax BainsBane Oct 2015 #15

How does it "disproportionately" benefit the upper middle class? karynnj Oct 2015 #23

This is how it is regressive BainsBane Oct 2015 #27

That's simplistic rhetoric, and very wrong cprise Oct 2015 #49

Any payroll tax is regressive - it's a tax on a worker's paycheck, not overall "income" even if.... George II Oct 2015 #19

True - but it also is the strength of both SS and Medicare karynnj Oct 2015 #28

^^^ This is the right answer. cprise Oct 2015 #42

That is exactly what would happen. Republicans might pass the payroll tax after complaining about it stevenleser Oct 2015 #50

If you haven't noticed, the Republicans are in big trouble cprise Oct 2015 #52

Doesn't matter. With gerrymandered districts, they are going to control the House through Jan 2023 stevenleser Oct 2015 #57

People changing their minds is not pixie dust. cprise Oct 2015 #64

LMAO, yes, it absolutely is. nt stevenleser Oct 2015 #65

Pour on the cynicism. cprise Oct 2015 #66

No, it's not an income tax, it's worse. RandySF Oct 2015 #106

Where in the quote you cite does it say anything about a flat tax? stopbush Oct 2015 #17

Look at the CNN article BainsBane Oct 2015 #18

Nope. Still not a flat tax. stopbush Oct 2015 #21

Excuse me? BainsBane Oct 2015 #22

You are misusing the term "flat tax" as it is normally used in such a discussion. stopbush Oct 2015 #25

It is a "capped flat tax" BainsBane Oct 2015 #24

Not so. Nowhere in the CNN article you cite does it mention a cap. stopbush Oct 2015 #26

Payroll taxes are capped BainsBane Oct 2015 #35

You're mixing Clinton's opposition to raising caps with Bernie's cprise Oct 2015 #54

It's all they have AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #92

Only Social Security taxes are capped tammywammy Oct 2015 #81

Your horrid concern is noted. 99Forever Oct 2015 #29

Meanwhile, you justify the working poor BainsBane Oct 2015 #31

Oh please. 99Forever Oct 2015 #32

Oh, the irony BainsBane Oct 2015 #33

What irony. 99Forever Oct 2015 #36

Its not redistribution upward. There's no cap. cprise Oct 2015 #51

You still have not shown that this is income redistribution to the wealthy karynnj Oct 2015 #59

It isn't, the same way Social Security isn't "income redistribution to the wealthy". n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2015 #60

I agree completely -- it isn't karynnj Oct 2015 #61

Sanders apparently endorses Senator Gillibrand's plan, which you can read about here... PoliticAverse Oct 2015 #62

Thanks - that is a great write, well written write up karynnj Oct 2015 #63

So which candidate supports a nationwide $15 minimum wage? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #75

If its a tax added to the payroll tax gwheezie Oct 2015 #30

Agreed BainsBane Oct 2015 #34

Even if so, the plan raises the cap. cprise Oct 2015 #56

Do you even know what a flat tax is???? kenfrequed Oct 2015 #38

But is that rate a percentage, or an amount? cprise Oct 2015 #44

Whatever, just make sure you get help when you file because you don't really understand taxation. Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #47

How about paying for it with progressive taxation? BainsBane Oct 2015 #77

You need to take your disagreement to Senator Gillibrand and the other Democratic co-sponsors of her Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #84

*crickets* beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #107

Oh lordy lu. hifiguy Oct 2015 #48

Wow portlander23 Oct 2015 #67

I understand your point zipplewrath Oct 2015 #68

If it is part of a reform of the system BainsBane Oct 2015 #70

I understand zipplewrath Oct 2015 #85

The GOP proposes replacing our current progressive tax scheme with a flat tax, which is different. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #72

Paid family leave is now an evil right-wing scheme! DemocraticWing Oct 2015 #76

I support paid family leave BainsBane Oct 2015 #78

0.2% on 20,000 = $40 = The cost of dinner and a movie Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #80

The problem is that $40 is a hell of a lot of money for someone just getting by BainsBane Oct 2015 #82

Are you aware of the fact that this is not Bernie's platform but part of a current legislative Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #86

b.s. $40 isnt very much at all over the course of a year its 3 dollars and change or so a month. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #100

So you're working to eliminate the Social Security payroll tax, which is 37.5 times worse? PoliticAverse Oct 2015 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Oct 2015 #87

You might want to take a look at this Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #88

Now I see what that was about. Autumn Oct 2015 #89

Looks like team H> is so careless smearing Bernie they are sabotaging the best work of Senate Dems. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #90

Oh noes!!" It's a PAYROLL tax!! One of the worst forms of taxes for poor and middle class workers." Autumn Oct 2015 #93

They assume everyone operates on a totally superficial basis & can't digest more than a sound bite Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #99

I don't suppose it would enter your mind BainsBane Oct 2015 #116

As smear attempts go this was pretty weak Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #137

Sanders: Tax Rate on the wealthiest "will be a damned lot higher" Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #140

Well that's embarrassing, isn't it? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94

Embarrassing just a little. Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #97

I'm sure the op will edit the misinformation now, right? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #98

Not in the least BainsBane Oct 2015 #121

And you're so concerned about the poor and middle class you're supporting Hillary. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #122

Additionally, the info about Gillibrand BainsBane Oct 2015 #126

Like you "theoretically" supported Bernie before you switched to Hillary how many times? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #127

In the second thread you linked to, that poster provided this link: BeanMusical Oct 2015 #135

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service jeff47 Oct 2015 #138

Good jury! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #139

Forget it, she's rolling. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #141

LOL! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #142

Sanders is the candidate of the elites, whereas Hillary represents the "subaltern". Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #143

White misogynists too. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #145

Rare footage of BB MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #103

LOLOLOL!!! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #109

Hardly BainsBane Oct 2015 #112

Two cents from every ten bucks. Oh the horror. MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #132

I know that. It's in one of the friggin articles BainsBane Oct 2015 #111

Sure thanks for the libertarian flat tax nonsense, This Primary discussion site is full Todays_Illusion Oct 2015 #91

Yeah, what's libertarian is not my mentioning it BainsBane Oct 2015 #113

Hey, you're not supposed to eat the waxed fruit! ucrdem Oct 2015 #96

The last person I recall advocating a flat tax was Steve Forbes. RandySF Oct 2015 #101

... TDale313 Oct 2015 #102

This is not trashing the man. RandySF Oct 2015 #105

Yes, I know many find it unacceptable to discuss actual policy BainsBane Oct 2015 #117

people keep kicking your thread, so I'm not sure how that makes it "unacceptable". Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #144

I need every dollar I can take home right now. RandySF Oct 2015 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #108

how dare I question a regressive tax BainsBane Oct 2015 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #120

Oh, wait. My fav from you BainsBane Oct 2015 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #125

Ah, hell, Bains. This isn't worth the sniping. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #128

Your last response was fine. BainsBane Oct 2015 #129

I was wrong. F4lconF16 Oct 2015 #134

I have lived in a flat tax economy. MADem Oct 2015 #115

Yes, and to be fair this does not propose substituting the income tax for a flat tax BainsBane Oct 2015 #119

It's a payroll tax to fund one thing: lovemydog Oct 2015 #124

How is Hillary proposing to fund her family leave plan? nt mhatrw Oct 2015 #130

With the Clinton Foundation™ of course. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #136