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retrowire

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Thu Oct 22, 2015, 05:11 PM Oct 2015

The logical reason that Bernie will win. [View all]

Alright, here it goes.

So in 2008, there was an election in which an outsider ran against some well known and established politicians and he won because he ran on a platform that preached endlessly towards CHANGE and HOPE.

He promised the people he would work with them to get their needs met. He was attacked and smeared much in the same way Bernie is today. But there was a great wave of discontented Americans that carried him to the White House.

Who were those Americans? They were the progressive youth of our nation. They were the majority that voted him into the white house.

Now, let's look at the present day. And this part is very important. That generation is still here, they're a bit older and there are thousands more progressive youth that has joined them. For the most part, they're not entirely dissatisfied with their choice in Obama.

But remember this, they didn't vote for Hillary, and they weren't moved by any other message.

Now we have Bernie and he's appealing to the very same people that Obama had enchanted. Also take into consideration that Bernie is doing better than Obama did at this same point in time.

Now ask yourself the following question and you should come to the same logical conclusion that I have.

-Since that same majority that elected Obama not only still exists, (they've grown larger) why would they vote for a centrist moderate that they didn't vote for the first time round?

I mean, that logic is clear as day to me. The older generation has moved on, the younger has gotten bigger and they're becoming more politically involved than before.

How would that ever work in favor of Hillary?

And sorry, polls mean nothing after seeing what CNN was capable of doing. Scrubbing their poll results after the debate, scrubbing pro-Bernie/anti-Hillary comments, etc...

That alone proved that we're in an era where corporations are literally attempting to control the freedom of information. And in the favor of Hillary.

Remember what I said about Biden? Be wary when the powers that be are choosing a favorite for you. You can eat what you're served if you want but not me. :/

Either way, the generation that voted Obama instead of Hillary is still here. They're bigger than before and smarter. They exist. I feel like it's honestly as if they're the elephant in the room that Hillary supporters aren't really thinking about.

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.... Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #1
And keep in mind, Sanders isn't running any ads yet. jeff47 Oct 2015 #2
This is a really good point. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #4
Um, you're only talking about Democratic voters. The biggest voting bloc in the country right now sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #12
Hillary's zero crossover appeal can be seen... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #47
Will the media take Bernie's money Plucketeer Oct 2015 #40
Yes. It buys hookers and blow just as well as Clinton's money. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #62
Full out laugh! artislife Oct 2015 #89
:hattip: (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #93
Ok. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #3
Thank you for reading and posting. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #5
More than the youth voted for Obama treestar Oct 2015 #6
false. retrowire Oct 2015 #8
As against far fewer electable opponents treestar Oct 2015 #52
I am an Obama supporter now for Bernie. I remember the exact same claims 'he can't win' etc sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #15
You are not an Obama supporter for a very long time treestar Oct 2015 #50
keep those fingers crossed! retrowire Oct 2015 #56
I voted for Obama twice artislife Oct 2015 #91
Not true - I actively volunteered for Obama TBF Oct 2015 #108
There is another factor zalinda Oct 2015 #7
That is the elephant in the room . TheFarS1de Oct 2015 #10
IMO - you are right. 840high Oct 2015 #31
Exactly... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #58
I reckon we'll see. cwydro Oct 2015 #9
I hope you are right sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #11
True. retrowire Oct 2015 #60
Thumbs up! SoapBox Oct 2015 #13
I don't know how many times ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #14
He's not Obama at all. That's why he's a better candidate. arcane1 Oct 2015 #18
That "loser" is still the front-runner. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #19
Where have I heard all that before...? arcane1 Oct 2015 #22
Again the assumption ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #24
You must have some even stronger, harsher words for O'Malley supporters n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #25
O'Malley supporters aren't convinced he's going to win. nt Codeine Oct 2015 #55
As a dispassionate observer I must give you this round. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #26
This subthread is even more hilarious than the OP Number23 Oct 2015 #27
Thanks, Number23! NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #30
Disingenuous, Nance. senz Oct 2015 #33
Bernie has only one speech ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #48
Obviously you've never listened to him. senz Oct 2015 #61
Sadly, I have listened to him ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #66
I'm going to let Nance Greggs write my posts from now on Codeine Oct 2015 #53
That's one silly rebuttal ... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #71
If BS's messsage is resonating with people ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #75
And, thank dog he isn't zalinda Oct 2015 #97
you assume too much which is not true JI7 Oct 2015 #16
thank you for reading and posting. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #21
I supported Obama in 2007, actually, wanted him to run for years before that. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #17
i was hoping someone like you would post in here! retrowire Oct 2015 #20
Because I supported Obama then. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #23
Same here ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #28
that does not explain why you didnt support hillary then retrowire Oct 2015 #29
Yes, it does. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #32
these details are much more helpful retrowire Oct 2015 #35
No. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #39
ahhhh retrowire Oct 2015 #43
Again, no. I have a fundamental disagreement with the basis of Socialism. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #45
A Democratic Socialism retrowire Oct 2015 #51
Democratic Solcialism is simply imposing the socialism econimic system via a democratic political... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #67
Okay. retrowire Oct 2015 #69
What you describe has precisely nothing to do with governmental control of the means of production. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #72
Oh? retrowire Oct 2015 #76
No. Regulation of commerce is clearly a power spelled out in the constitution. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #77
but the important detail left out in your definition is retrowire Oct 2015 #78
By definition, that is solved through democratic representation. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #79
which is perfectly possible within a democratic socialist system. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #80
And I will oppose such a system being implemented with the last breath in my body. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #81
Even though it's fair and would protect people from being oppressed retrowire Oct 2015 #82
I believe it is unfair and oppresses people through a bureaucratic nightmare MohRokTah Oct 2015 #83
Well how do you believe it oppresses people then? n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #84
The same way you believe corporations oppress people. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #85
Then you have greatly misunderstood me retrowire Oct 2015 #86
Worse would happen under a bureaucratic nightmare through government control of the means of... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #90
facepalm* retrowire Oct 2015 #99
One word. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #102
yeah and? retrowire Oct 2015 #104
No matter how well Democratic Socialists attempt to make it work MohRokTah Oct 2015 #106
alright hillary then, but wait! retrowire Oct 2015 #110
You are not convincing me MohRokTah Oct 2015 #113
dat aint democratic socialism lol try again retrowire Oct 2015 #115
Hugo Chavez and his entire government were democratically ELECTED. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #118
being elected democratically retrowire Oct 2015 #119
Yes, it is. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #120
thank you for your time. retrowire Oct 2015 #121
I don't understand your confusion. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #34
does it explain why they didn't support kucinich biden Richardson etc ? JI7 Oct 2015 #37
why would it? n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #41
Well Old Codger Oct 2015 #36
oh i meant no disrespect old timer. retrowire Oct 2015 #38
No sweat Old Codger Oct 2015 #42
Clinton was the anti-Obama in 2008; now she's on our team and Sanders is the anti-O. ucrdem Oct 2015 #44
.... retrowire Oct 2015 #46
No comparison whatsoever. None. ucrdem Oct 2015 #49
lol ok retrowire Oct 2015 #54
I heard exactly what he said. ucrdem Oct 2015 #63
So he said "I am the anti-Obama" retrowire Oct 2015 #65
That particular phrase he whistled. ucrdem Oct 2015 #68
Okie dokie! n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #70
No, he's not. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #57
Exactly. ucrdem Oct 2015 #73
That actually makes some sense, in a way. Hillary always seems to hitch her wagon to falling stars. reformist2 Oct 2015 #74
Your logic is only halfway there. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #59
Well it's not just millenials! retrowire Oct 2015 #64
Where does that figure come from? Codeine Oct 2015 #87
If we elect h, we will lose artislife Oct 2015 #92
Except Sanders isn't showing that he is able to win the African American vote mythology Oct 2015 #88
Latina here artislife Oct 2015 #94
There's been a sea change as the primary season progresses Babel_17 Oct 2015 #95
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! You are exactly right and let's throw in Clinton fatigue, Anti Wall St. - in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #96
can't see how anyone could ignore this stuff. retrowire Oct 2015 #101
Never gonna happen. He's a gun-nut. Beausoir Oct 2015 #98
keep dancing! retrowire Oct 2015 #100
Bernie isn't going to get anywhere as large of a share of the African-American vote as Obama Freddie Stubbs Oct 2015 #103
but i'm not talking about racial demographics in this op. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #105
Ignoring racial demographics is ignoring the key to the nomination Freddie Stubbs Nov 2015 #125
buuut retrowire Nov 2015 #126
Exactly. In 2008 I was not "youth" - TBF Oct 2015 #107
No, Bernie is not "appealing to the very same people that Obama had enchanted." Skinner Oct 2015 #109
i call those people retrowire Oct 2015 #111
I was actually referring to a specific group of people. Skinner Oct 2015 #112
I'm gonna go with... retrowire Oct 2015 #114
Yes, I was referring to African Americans. Skinner Oct 2015 #116
By "very same people" retrowire Oct 2015 #117
I am a Black voter, and Sanders appeals to me noiretextatique Oct 2015 #122
Despite prophecy being anything but logical, I admire your faith in it. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #123
Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #124
I ignore the BS, Nonsense Questions fredamae Nov 2015 #127
+1 nt retrowire Nov 2015 #128
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