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Reply to ucrdem (Reply #44)

Thu Oct 22, 2015, 07:59 PM

Oct 2015

But Bernie is much more similar to Obama in 08 than Hillary is/was.

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The logical reason that Bernie will win. [View all] retrowire Oct 2015 OP

.... Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #1

And keep in mind, Sanders isn't running any ads yet. jeff47 Oct 2015 #2

This is a really good point. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #4

Um, you're only talking about Democratic voters. The biggest voting bloc in the country right now sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #12

Hillary's zero crossover appeal can be seen... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #47

Will the media take Bernie's money Plucketeer Oct 2015 #40

Yes. It buys hookers and blow just as well as Clinton's money. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #62

Full out laugh! artislife Oct 2015 #89

:hattip: (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #93

Ok. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #3

Thank you for reading and posting. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #5

More than the youth voted for Obama treestar Oct 2015 #6

false. retrowire Oct 2015 #8

As against far fewer electable opponents treestar Oct 2015 #52

I am an Obama supporter now for Bernie. I remember the exact same claims 'he can't win' etc sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #15

You are not an Obama supporter for a very long time treestar Oct 2015 #50

keep those fingers crossed! retrowire Oct 2015 #56

I voted for Obama twice artislife Oct 2015 #91

Not true - I actively volunteered for Obama TBF Oct 2015 #108

There is another factor zalinda Oct 2015 #7

That is the elephant in the room . TheFarS1de Oct 2015 #10

IMO - you are right. 840high Oct 2015 #31

Exactly... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #58

I reckon we'll see. cwydro Oct 2015 #9

I hope you are right sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #11

True. retrowire Oct 2015 #60

Thumbs up! SoapBox Oct 2015 #13

I don't know how many times ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #14

He's not Obama at all. That's why he's a better candidate. arcane1 Oct 2015 #18

That "loser" is still the front-runner. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #19

Where have I heard all that before...? arcane1 Oct 2015 #22

Again the assumption ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #24

You must have some even stronger, harsher words for O'Malley supporters n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #25

O'Malley supporters aren't convinced he's going to win. nt Codeine Oct 2015 #55

As a dispassionate observer I must give you this round. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #26

This subthread is even more hilarious than the OP Number23 Oct 2015 #27

Thanks, Number23! NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #30

Disingenuous, Nance. senz Oct 2015 #33

Bernie has only one speech ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #48

Obviously you've never listened to him. senz Oct 2015 #61

Sadly, I have listened to him ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #66

I'm going to let Nance Greggs write my posts from now on Codeine Oct 2015 #53

That's one silly rebuttal ... tex-wyo-dem Oct 2015 #71

If BS's messsage is resonating with people ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #75

And, thank dog he isn't zalinda Oct 2015 #97

you assume too much which is not true JI7 Oct 2015 #16

thank you for reading and posting. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #21

I supported Obama in 2007, actually, wanted him to run for years before that. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #17

i was hoping someone like you would post in here! retrowire Oct 2015 #20

Because I supported Obama then. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #23

Same here ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #28

that does not explain why you didnt support hillary then retrowire Oct 2015 #29

Yes, it does. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #32

these details are much more helpful retrowire Oct 2015 #35

No. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #39

ahhhh retrowire Oct 2015 #43

Again, no. I have a fundamental disagreement with the basis of Socialism. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #45

A Democratic Socialism retrowire Oct 2015 #51

Democratic Solcialism is simply imposing the socialism econimic system via a democratic political... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #67

Okay. retrowire Oct 2015 #69

What you describe has precisely nothing to do with governmental control of the means of production. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #72

Oh? retrowire Oct 2015 #76

No. Regulation of commerce is clearly a power spelled out in the constitution. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #77

but the important detail left out in your definition is retrowire Oct 2015 #78

By definition, that is solved through democratic representation. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #79

which is perfectly possible within a democratic socialist system. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #80

And I will oppose such a system being implemented with the last breath in my body. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #81

Even though it's fair and would protect people from being oppressed retrowire Oct 2015 #82

I believe it is unfair and oppresses people through a bureaucratic nightmare MohRokTah Oct 2015 #83

Well how do you believe it oppresses people then? n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #84

The same way you believe corporations oppress people. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #85

Then you have greatly misunderstood me retrowire Oct 2015 #86

Worse would happen under a bureaucratic nightmare through government control of the means of... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #90

facepalm* retrowire Oct 2015 #99

One word. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #102

yeah and? retrowire Oct 2015 #104

No matter how well Democratic Socialists attempt to make it work MohRokTah Oct 2015 #106

alright hillary then, but wait! retrowire Oct 2015 #110

You are not convincing me MohRokTah Oct 2015 #113

dat aint democratic socialism lol try again retrowire Oct 2015 #115

Hugo Chavez and his entire government were democratically ELECTED. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #118

being elected democratically retrowire Oct 2015 #119

Yes, it is. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #120

thank you for your time. retrowire Oct 2015 #121

I don't understand your confusion. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #34

does it explain why they didn't support kucinich biden Richardson etc ? JI7 Oct 2015 #37

why would it? n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #41

Well Old Codger Oct 2015 #36

oh i meant no disrespect old timer. retrowire Oct 2015 #38

No sweat Old Codger Oct 2015 #42

Clinton was the anti-Obama in 2008; now she's on our team and Sanders is the anti-O. ucrdem Oct 2015 #44

.... retrowire Oct 2015 #46

No comparison whatsoever. None. ucrdem Oct 2015 #49

lol ok retrowire Oct 2015 #54

I heard exactly what he said. ucrdem Oct 2015 #63

So he said "I am the anti-Obama" retrowire Oct 2015 #65

That particular phrase he whistled. ucrdem Oct 2015 #68

Okie dokie! n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #70

No, he's not. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #57

Exactly. ucrdem Oct 2015 #73

That actually makes some sense, in a way. Hillary always seems to hitch her wagon to falling stars. reformist2 Oct 2015 #74

Your logic is only halfway there. DrBulldog Oct 2015 #59

Well it's not just millenials! retrowire Oct 2015 #64

Where does that figure come from? Codeine Oct 2015 #87

If we elect h, we will lose artislife Oct 2015 #92

Except Sanders isn't showing that he is able to win the African American vote mythology Oct 2015 #88

Latina here artislife Oct 2015 #94

There's been a sea change as the primary season progresses Babel_17 Oct 2015 #95

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! You are exactly right and let's throw in Clinton fatigue, Anti Wall St. - in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #96

can't see how anyone could ignore this stuff. retrowire Oct 2015 #101

Never gonna happen. He's a gun-nut. Beausoir Oct 2015 #98

keep dancing! retrowire Oct 2015 #100

Bernie isn't going to get anywhere as large of a share of the African-American vote as Obama Freddie Stubbs Oct 2015 #103

but i'm not talking about racial demographics in this op. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #105

Ignoring racial demographics is ignoring the key to the nomination Freddie Stubbs Nov 2015 #125

buuut retrowire Nov 2015 #126

Exactly. In 2008 I was not "youth" - TBF Oct 2015 #107

No, Bernie is not "appealing to the very same people that Obama had enchanted." Skinner Oct 2015 #109

i call those people retrowire Oct 2015 #111

I was actually referring to a specific group of people. Skinner Oct 2015 #112

I'm gonna go with... retrowire Oct 2015 #114

Yes, I was referring to African Americans. Skinner Oct 2015 #116

By "very same people" retrowire Oct 2015 #117

I am a Black voter, and Sanders appeals to me noiretextatique Oct 2015 #122

Despite prophecy being anything but logical, I admire your faith in it. LanternWaste Oct 2015 #123

Kick and R BeanMusical Oct 2015 #124

I ignore the BS, Nonsense Questions fredamae Nov 2015 #127

+1 nt retrowire Nov 2015 #128