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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: There is no such thing as a Third Way Progressive. [View all]Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)118. Johnathon Swift had a relevant quote...
Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believd only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceivd, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect
Remember Froma Harrop? You ought to, she authored that article "Bernie Sanders problem with blacks and others" that you shared with the other Hillaryclintonsupporters, which spawned that rather amusing thread around here.
The problem was... the entire thing was bullshit. Top to bottom, outright bullshit. Hypocritical bullshit no less, coming from a very white writer who had some VERY choice things to say about candidate Obama and his skin color. But none of that mattered, because it didn't have to be true. After all, a lie stands until corrected.
So it gets spread around. And fact is, Sanders does suffer from low name recognition in communities of color. And another fact is, people tend to stick with whatever opinion they form first. So, if the first time someone sees Sanders talked about, it's that full-of-shit article you handed to them, claiming it was god's own truth? What's the net outcome?
Another quote I like, I'm not sure who invented it, is this:
So about the numbers? According to the latest from PPP, he has 55% favorability among African-Americans, and 24% favor him over Clinton. Could be better, but it sure as hell is better than what he started out with. I can only imagine what the numbers might be without the concerted effort at well-poisoning. I can only think that truth will eventually catch up. In the meantime, Sanders is doing what black people have asked of him - he's listening to 'em.
What happens in June will not be decided by what happened in August.
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Such posters are pro Hillary and there is no amount of facts we can present to change their minds.
JRLeft
Oct 2015
#3
They're trying everything possible to make their Third Way selves look better
in_cog_ni_to
Oct 2015
#2
I presented such poster of the thread with facts and the poster said I don't believe that.
JRLeft
Oct 2015
#6
Facts don't deter those who are trying desperately to protect and defend the indefensible.
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#13
Serious people don't make things up then run with them as if they were facts
AgingAmerican
Oct 2015
#61
She'll be a moderate republican like the rest of the Wall Street side of the party.
JRLeft
Oct 2015
#10
Not Third Way. The Third Way is a group of investors and ex-Clinton administration
JRLeft
Oct 2015
#20
So, since you are married to the Think Tank's existence and not the ideology ...
1StrongBlackMan
Oct 2015
#51
If you can indulge in word games to paint allies as enemies, you are not seeking allies and you do
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2015
#26
I agree. I would caution all Bernie supporters to be careful. The ones that come over here
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2015
#109
Do your homework, learn your timelines. You will find that DLC/Third Way 'supported LGBT rights'
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2015
#62
And how exactly would improving everyone's economic situation hurt social justice?
Armstead
Oct 2015
#49
When have blacks gotten an equal share of the pie, comparable to their population?
bravenak
Oct 2015
#56
This is why I call it third way progressivism. Equality must not be discussed. Equality for me is
bravenak
Oct 2015
#73
What makes you think I don't work? My color or what? Hell, just having two kids is work!
bravenak
Oct 2015
#114
You think taking power from the oligarchy, and giving it back to the people somehow victimizes you?
AgingAmerican
Oct 2015
#68
I am receiving proper education. I try to educate those who have no experience being the slave class
bravenak
Oct 2015
#74
Stockholm Syndrome, Race Nagger, Race Baiter (only towards blacks and their defenders)
bravenak
Oct 2015
#90
I notice you blame this on poisoning but gloss over the attitude of his base.
bravenak
Oct 2015
#119
Any thread that boils down, at it's core, to "DU talking about DU" is politically useless to me.
Warren DeMontague
Oct 2015
#58
They are a big lie, they are libertarian. Call them out and run from them and yes I believe Hillary
Todays_Illusion
Oct 2015
#100