2016 Postmortem

pinebox

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68. Not really

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 03:02 PM

Nov 2015

considering the article sites specifics. It's one thing say you're going to do this, it's another to actually do it. Marketing 101.

Now about those polls and favorability.

Hillary is basically a -5.5
Bernie is basically a +5.5.

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Five Reasons No Progressive Should Support Hillary Clinton [View all] pinebox Nov 2015 OP

ONE REASON THEY SHOULD: Herman4747 Nov 2015 #1

Live in reaction instead of action? artislife Nov 2015 #4

I like that phrase: "Live in reaction....etc." Sums it up well. Armstead Nov 2015 #20

You do realize there is a primary first where we can pick the Democrat we really want LynneSin Nov 2015 #51

they seem to forget that it's a "Democratic" primary and not liberal or progressive. demosincebirth Nov 2015 #57

The Democratic Party is the party of liberals and progressives. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #60

You might have forgotten moderates, which I am one. demosincebirth Nov 2015 #64

Quoting Cesar Chavez suggests you are more of a liberal. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #87

I quote Cesar Chavez because I was a farmworker as a very young man. I was a teamster stewart demosincebirth Nov 2015 #88

What don't you agree with? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #93

That is the ONLY reason I'd ever vote for her. Jokerman Nov 2015 #6

That's the ONLY reason I will vote for her. While holding my nose. n/t Avalux Nov 2015 #10

+1000s DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #50

or rtracey Nov 2015 #54

I will voting for Hillary beacause she is the best choice lewebley3 Nov 2015 #63

In a sane world it would not be a choice between Hillary/Sanders vs. Top Republican Clown LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #112

But if we nominate Bernie, this whole "hold our noses and vote for a bad Democrat" nonsense Maedhros Nov 2015 #12

The progressives voting for Hillary do not want Herman4747 Nov 2015 #15

The 'progressives' voting for Hillary are acting out of fear, playing not to lose. Maedhros Nov 2015 #19

Yes but nearly all in the off election years Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #49

We had huge losses in congress in 2010 and 2014 eridani Nov 2015 #98

Not really. blackspade Nov 2015 #29

They needn't worry. This is not 1972. The historical parameters are very different. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #72

Excellent post that reflects my own thinking perectly. nt JEB Nov 2015 #83

Yeah, because it will be a landslide...against him. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #16

Explain your logic. blackspade Nov 2015 #30

Wrong. Bernie does better in a general than Hillary. pinebox Nov 2015 #61

Except that not everyone voting in Dem primaries agrees with you. MH1 Nov 2015 #85

But it's this cyclical lament, wrought with much wailing and gnashing of teeth, Maedhros Nov 2015 #94

Ah, "the lesser of two evils" argument ... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #28

Uh pinebox Nov 2015 #33

Here Here Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #46

Hear, Hear! nt Herman4747 Nov 2015 #52

LOL Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #53

Actually, what would be more Republican than this? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #59

5 Reason to support Hillary: The are millions more lewebley3 Nov 2015 #62

Hillary is the Best Choice lewebley3 Nov 2015 #65

A Republican by any other name Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #77

Only if she is the nominee. Even then, she has no appeal to the 63% who sat out 2014 n/t eridani Nov 2015 #97

Number 1 through 4 also apply to President Obama. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #2

SCOTUS artislife Nov 2015 #5

I bring it up because it is a consideration. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #7

Latina who is turning her back on her people artislife Nov 2015 #8

Now I partially understand. I think. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #11

Well, It depends on whetehr a Clinton would suppot a SC Justice who was... Armstead Nov 2015 #22

And that idea of HRC's pick depends guillaumeb Nov 2015 #79

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #3

How Much Longer? colsohlibgal Nov 2015 #9

well any group blocking people on DU clearly are showing their true colors PatrynXX Nov 2015 #13

Ayup. AzDar Nov 2015 #14

Progressives are like 7% of the population. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #17

Oh Janry, Janey, janey Armstead Nov 2015 #23

nope ibegurpard Nov 2015 #26

Yes, and all of our candidates believe that as well, difference is... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #27

Really....Link? blackspade Nov 2015 #34

7% of the population? pinebox Nov 2015 #37

That is just the opposite of wingnuts saying candidates that lose to Dems were not conservative upaloopa Nov 2015 #74

Horse shit pinebox Nov 2015 #75

You need to prepare people to accept your thinking first. In 2016 that simply is not happening upaloopa Nov 2015 #100

My thinking in 2016? pinebox Nov 2015 #108

No I mean the country as a whole upaloopa Nov 2015 #110

Here is the part you always leave out upaloopa Nov 2015 #111

Wrong. Here in Wisconsin we elected the "Madison liberal lesbian" to the US Senate ... Scuba Nov 2015 #95

You obviously don't live in a red state redstateblues Nov 2015 #104

No Democrat is going to take Tennessee ibegurpard Nov 2015 #106

They said the same thing pinebox Nov 2015 #109

Stop bashing Hillary!! Just talk about THE ISSUES dammit. Oh wait .. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #18

only 5? ibegurpard Nov 2015 #21

ok. n/t zappaman Nov 2015 #24

K & R SoapBox Nov 2015 #25

And yet she pretty much has a lock on the Presidency. randome Nov 2015 #31

And that's a good thing? ibegurpard Nov 2015 #32

It is what it is. A ridiculous tautology, sure, but inescapable. randome Nov 2015 #38

She had a 'lock' in 2008 about this time as well. blackspade Nov 2015 #36

Very true. But she was up against Charismatic Obama then. Sanders doesn't have that charm. randome Nov 2015 #41

I don't agree about her having it sewn up, but I agree with the rest of your post. blackspade Nov 2015 #48

Needs more embedded videos to get my attention Godhumor Nov 2015 #35

LMFAO! pinebox Nov 2015 #39

Blah, blah, blah - more twisting of facts to "prove" something - that's why that piece.... George II Nov 2015 #40

Apparently actual facts now are not factual. pinebox Nov 2015 #42

Look at the link YOU included in your message: George II Nov 2015 #43

Opinion pieces often contain FACTS pinebox Nov 2015 #45

Let's see now ........ Nope! It didn't work. I'm still voting for HILLARY. Lil Missy Nov 2015 #44

Ugh. PoliticalMalcontent Nov 2015 #47

Some reasons progressives shoud support Hillary Clinton HassleCat Nov 2015 #55

The main reason I log into DU lately... Orrex Nov 2015 #56

You? Stupid? No way, Orrex, we think you're GREAT! RobertEarl Nov 2015 #86

That would really mean something to me if your opinion meant anything to me. Orrex Nov 2015 #103

Yet they are, probably because they have bothered to look at her actual policies BainsBane Nov 2015 #58

you mean back to when ibegurpard Nov 2015 #66

When are you talking about? BainsBane Nov 2015 #71

There are plenty of examples in all decades. ibegurpard Nov 2015 #78

That wasn't the question BainsBane Nov 2015 #80

I didn't answer your question the way you wanted ibegurpard Nov 2015 #89

Not really pinebox Nov 2015 #68

That is not limited to Democrats BainsBane Nov 2015 #70

And that says it all doesn't it pinebox Nov 2015 #76

That's only if you like war and inequality eridani Nov 2015 #99

Losing for perfections' sake isn't pretty. lark Nov 2015 #67

Kicked & Recommended azmom Nov 2015 #69

Agree - many valid points mvd Nov 2015 #73

that might convince enough DUers, but there's no way that can win any more votes MisterP Nov 2015 #81

Well I think I showed a balanced opinion mvd Nov 2015 #82

but it's not DUers that won't vote, it's millions of Americans who saw the chance MisterP Nov 2015 #91

I think I understand you mvd Nov 2015 #92

K and R (nt) bigwillq Nov 2015 #84

So I actually followed a link to see what the real deal was in section #1 Persondem Nov 2015 #90

Bullshit. Criticizing the use of drones does not equate to defending terrorists. Scuba Nov 2015 #96

You didn't follow the links to the "evidence" did you? Persondem Nov 2015 #101

Maybe you would prefer Ben Carson liberal N proud Nov 2015 #102

Maybe you'd like the status quo to continue with a corporate Wall Street candidate. pinebox Nov 2015 #107

Excellent post. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #105