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mvd

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82. Well I think I showed a balanced opinion

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:08 PM

Nov 2015

I definitely prefer Bernie, but I just can't risk not voting for and supporting Hillary if she wins the nomination. W almost destroyed the country, and all but Kasich and Jeb seem even to the right of W.

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Five Reasons No Progressive Should Support Hillary Clinton [View all] pinebox Nov 2015 OP

ONE REASON THEY SHOULD: Herman4747 Nov 2015 #1

Live in reaction instead of action? artislife Nov 2015 #4

I like that phrase: "Live in reaction....etc." Sums it up well. Armstead Nov 2015 #20

You do realize there is a primary first where we can pick the Democrat we really want LynneSin Nov 2015 #51

they seem to forget that it's a "Democratic" primary and not liberal or progressive. demosincebirth Nov 2015 #57

The Democratic Party is the party of liberals and progressives. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #60

You might have forgotten moderates, which I am one. demosincebirth Nov 2015 #64

Quoting Cesar Chavez suggests you are more of a liberal. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #87

I quote Cesar Chavez because I was a farmworker as a very young man. I was a teamster stewart demosincebirth Nov 2015 #88

What don't you agree with? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #93

That is the ONLY reason I'd ever vote for her. Jokerman Nov 2015 #6

That's the ONLY reason I will vote for her. While holding my nose. n/t Avalux Nov 2015 #10

+1000s DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #50

or rtracey Nov 2015 #54

I will voting for Hillary beacause she is the best choice lewebley3 Nov 2015 #63

In a sane world it would not be a choice between Hillary/Sanders vs. Top Republican Clown LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #112

But if we nominate Bernie, this whole "hold our noses and vote for a bad Democrat" nonsense Maedhros Nov 2015 #12

The progressives voting for Hillary do not want Herman4747 Nov 2015 #15

The 'progressives' voting for Hillary are acting out of fear, playing not to lose. Maedhros Nov 2015 #19

Yes but nearly all in the off election years Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #49

We had huge losses in congress in 2010 and 2014 eridani Nov 2015 #98

Not really. blackspade Nov 2015 #29

They needn't worry. This is not 1972. The historical parameters are very different. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #72

Excellent post that reflects my own thinking perectly. nt JEB Nov 2015 #83

Yeah, because it will be a landslide...against him. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #16

Explain your logic. blackspade Nov 2015 #30

Wrong. Bernie does better in a general than Hillary. pinebox Nov 2015 #61

Except that not everyone voting in Dem primaries agrees with you. MH1 Nov 2015 #85

But it's this cyclical lament, wrought with much wailing and gnashing of teeth, Maedhros Nov 2015 #94

Ah, "the lesser of two evils" argument ... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #28

Uh pinebox Nov 2015 #33

Here Here Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #46

Hear, Hear! nt Herman4747 Nov 2015 #52

LOL Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #53

Actually, what would be more Republican than this? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #59

5 Reason to support Hillary: The are millions more lewebley3 Nov 2015 #62

Hillary is the Best Choice lewebley3 Nov 2015 #65

A Republican by any other name Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #77

Only if she is the nominee. Even then, she has no appeal to the 63% who sat out 2014 n/t eridani Nov 2015 #97

Number 1 through 4 also apply to President Obama. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #2

SCOTUS artislife Nov 2015 #5

I bring it up because it is a consideration. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #7

Latina who is turning her back on her people artislife Nov 2015 #8

Now I partially understand. I think. guillaumeb Nov 2015 #11

Well, It depends on whetehr a Clinton would suppot a SC Justice who was... Armstead Nov 2015 #22

And that idea of HRC's pick depends guillaumeb Nov 2015 #79

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #3

How Much Longer? colsohlibgal Nov 2015 #9

well any group blocking people on DU clearly are showing their true colors PatrynXX Nov 2015 #13

Ayup. AzDar Nov 2015 #14

Progressives are like 7% of the population. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #17

Oh Janry, Janey, janey Armstead Nov 2015 #23

nope ibegurpard Nov 2015 #26

Yes, and all of our candidates believe that as well, difference is... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #27

Really....Link? blackspade Nov 2015 #34

7% of the population? pinebox Nov 2015 #37

That is just the opposite of wingnuts saying candidates that lose to Dems were not conservative upaloopa Nov 2015 #74

Horse shit pinebox Nov 2015 #75

You need to prepare people to accept your thinking first. In 2016 that simply is not happening upaloopa Nov 2015 #100

My thinking in 2016? pinebox Nov 2015 #108

No I mean the country as a whole upaloopa Nov 2015 #110

Here is the part you always leave out upaloopa Nov 2015 #111

Wrong. Here in Wisconsin we elected the "Madison liberal lesbian" to the US Senate ... Scuba Nov 2015 #95

You obviously don't live in a red state redstateblues Nov 2015 #104

No Democrat is going to take Tennessee ibegurpard Nov 2015 #106

They said the same thing pinebox Nov 2015 #109

Stop bashing Hillary!! Just talk about THE ISSUES dammit. Oh wait .. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #18

only 5? ibegurpard Nov 2015 #21

ok. n/t zappaman Nov 2015 #24

K & R SoapBox Nov 2015 #25

And yet she pretty much has a lock on the Presidency. randome Nov 2015 #31

And that's a good thing? ibegurpard Nov 2015 #32

It is what it is. A ridiculous tautology, sure, but inescapable. randome Nov 2015 #38

She had a 'lock' in 2008 about this time as well. blackspade Nov 2015 #36

Very true. But she was up against Charismatic Obama then. Sanders doesn't have that charm. randome Nov 2015 #41

I don't agree about her having it sewn up, but I agree with the rest of your post. blackspade Nov 2015 #48

Needs more embedded videos to get my attention Godhumor Nov 2015 #35

LMFAO! pinebox Nov 2015 #39

Blah, blah, blah - more twisting of facts to "prove" something - that's why that piece.... George II Nov 2015 #40

Apparently actual facts now are not factual. pinebox Nov 2015 #42

Look at the link YOU included in your message: George II Nov 2015 #43

Opinion pieces often contain FACTS pinebox Nov 2015 #45

Let's see now ........ Nope! It didn't work. I'm still voting for HILLARY. Lil Missy Nov 2015 #44

Ugh. PoliticalMalcontent Nov 2015 #47

Some reasons progressives shoud support Hillary Clinton HassleCat Nov 2015 #55

The main reason I log into DU lately... Orrex Nov 2015 #56

You? Stupid? No way, Orrex, we think you're GREAT! RobertEarl Nov 2015 #86

That would really mean something to me if your opinion meant anything to me. Orrex Nov 2015 #103

Yet they are, probably because they have bothered to look at her actual policies BainsBane Nov 2015 #58

you mean back to when ibegurpard Nov 2015 #66

When are you talking about? BainsBane Nov 2015 #71

There are plenty of examples in all decades. ibegurpard Nov 2015 #78

That wasn't the question BainsBane Nov 2015 #80

I didn't answer your question the way you wanted ibegurpard Nov 2015 #89

Not really pinebox Nov 2015 #68

That is not limited to Democrats BainsBane Nov 2015 #70

And that says it all doesn't it pinebox Nov 2015 #76

That's only if you like war and inequality eridani Nov 2015 #99

Losing for perfections' sake isn't pretty. lark Nov 2015 #67

Kicked & Recommended azmom Nov 2015 #69

Agree - many valid points mvd Nov 2015 #73

that might convince enough DUers, but there's no way that can win any more votes MisterP Nov 2015 #81

Well I think I showed a balanced opinion mvd Nov 2015 #82

but it's not DUers that won't vote, it's millions of Americans who saw the chance MisterP Nov 2015 #91

I think I understand you mvd Nov 2015 #92

K and R (nt) bigwillq Nov 2015 #84

So I actually followed a link to see what the real deal was in section #1 Persondem Nov 2015 #90

Bullshit. Criticizing the use of drones does not equate to defending terrorists. Scuba Nov 2015 #96

You didn't follow the links to the "evidence" did you? Persondem Nov 2015 #101

Maybe you would prefer Ben Carson liberal N proud Nov 2015 #102

Maybe you'd like the status quo to continue with a corporate Wall Street candidate. pinebox Nov 2015 #107

Excellent post. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #105