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2016 Postmortem

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H2O Man

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Sun Nov 8, 2015, 03:49 PM Nov 2015

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MSNBC’s “First in the South” interviews with the three democratic candidates for president was outstanding. Martin O’Malley, Bernie Sanders, and Hillary Clinton all provided the types of answers to Rachel Maddow’s questions that demonstrated they would be intellectually fit to serve as President of the United States. These three candidates have significant areas where they agree upon goals and values, although there are differences in how each believes that, as president, they might move towards achieving these goals.

There are, of course, also differences between the three. Each has had a unique life-experience, and that impacts their perception. This obviously involves the way they understand the wide range of problems confronting the US, both domestically and globally. Thus, each has a different belief in how to approach these problems. More, because each one is a human being, they have both strengths and weaknesses.

The contrast between the three democratic candidates and their republican counterparts is stark. While no matter who is elected next November, he or she will have some common features. Some of these include the self-evident: that person will reside in the White House, deal with a broken Congress (indeed, both the House and Senate are damaged institutions), and be confronted with an unstable global reality.

That person will be dealing with the synergy of inter-related problems that include the environment; an economy that exploit’s the poor, and threatens th middle class; and the Balkanization of ethnic and religious groups, both domestically and globally; In my opinion, the democratic candidates each have a far more rational and ethical approach to what their role as president would be, but also display a far superior of character -- including emotional stability.

When we look at that curious characteristic -- emotional stability -- the candidates from the two major political parties provide an intensely distinct choice. While the three democratic candidates attempt to engage the nation in an honest conversation rooted in logic and rational thought, the republican candidates display dishonesty in their appeal to negative emotions: anxiety, fear, prejudice, and hatred.

It should be crystal clear to thinking people that one path offers hope, and the other promises destruction. It should be obvious to all conscious people that the republican approach can only add new problems that add to the crisis that we are already deeply entrenched in. This is not a closely-held secret, nor is it a great mystery.

This makes the third presidential primary season that I’ve been participated in on DU. In the 2004 and 2008 primaries -- at least in my opinion -- there was a combination of insightful debate and destructive arguing on this forum. Indeed, I found the ‘08 season had a higher level of toxicity than the previous one, although there were enough meaningful discussions to make it worthwhile to participate.

This year, although I have read numerous OP/threads, I’ve generally avoided taking part in them. It’s not that I’m somehow less interested in the primaries, or think the current events are somehow less important. Quite the opposite: I believe that the 2016 elections -- presidential, congressional, and those at the state and local levels -- are as important as any in our nation’s history …..and far more important than the majority of those in the past.

More, because of Donald Trump’s ability to manipulate the manner in which the internet influences people’s perceptions, similar to Reagan’s ability to convince people that lies were truth, and truth lies, the negativity that saturates so many OP/threads on DU:GD Primaries is troubling. It is as if many people have willingly stepped into the stream of Trump consciousness, and are becoming carried away by its undercurrents. Insults are Trump’s tongue, and acrimony his language …..just as delusional thinking defines this fellow Ben Carson.

Each of our life experiences and current situations will result in our interpreting the democratic candidates differently. If we then take the stance that our opinion is right, and represents the entire truth, and is the only truth, it makes meaningful discussion impossible. It leads to OP/threads that, by no coincidence, mirror the televised republican debates, with cheap shots and insults.

I’m not foolish enough to think that one brief essay being posted by an old man from the margins of society will change the tone here. But each and every one of us can adjust the manner in which we take part in discussions and debates here.

I can dream, can’t I?

Peace,
H2O Man

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I'm also reading and dreaming suffragette Nov 2015 #1
Thank you. H2O Man Nov 2015 #2
It can be easy to get stuck in a pattern and hard to get unstuck suffragette Nov 2015 #26
Good points .... H2O Man Nov 2015 #45
also dreaming. unapatriciated Nov 2015 #3
Very good! H2O Man Nov 2015 #6
Nicely said. K & R .. you have hit upon a key difference in Dem vs. GOP candidates. Persondem Nov 2015 #4
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #7
Wise words from a wise man. Skidmore Nov 2015 #5
Well, thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #8
Eloquent and articulate... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #9
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2015 #14
Enduring success is built on the solid foundation of small victories... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #20
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2015 #56
Brilliant. Thank you. Liberal Jesus Freak Nov 2015 #10
Thank you, my Friend! H2O Man Nov 2015 #19
Was that Reuben "Hurricane" Carter by any chance? gregcrawford Nov 2015 #22
Yes. H2O Man Nov 2015 #23
I envy you that honor! gregcrawford Nov 2015 #24
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #27
I notice... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #41
"Rubin" was what H2O Man Nov 2015 #43
Thanks for the clarification... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #44
Our conversation here H2O Man Nov 2015 #97
I was not aware of the Canadian episode... gregcrawford Nov 2015 #98
As usual Old Codger Nov 2015 #11
Exactly! H2O Man Nov 2015 #21
A potential seldom realized these days DFW Nov 2015 #57
Much needed and well stated.. recommended AuntPatsy Nov 2015 #12
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #25
Best post of the last month SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #13
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2015 #28
One Can Dream - Even Hope - Won't Change The Dynamic Of This Election Cycle - The 99% vs The 1% cantbeserious Nov 2015 #15
Respectfully agree & disagree. H2O Man Nov 2015 #29
Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #16
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #30
Could not agree more. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #17
As unpleasant as it H2O Man Nov 2015 #31
K&R one_voice Nov 2015 #18
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #32
K&R. You're not the only dreamer ms liberty Nov 2015 #33
"Let It Sink" H2O Man Nov 2015 #34
Meh. I'm not ready to sing kumbaya. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #35
That's fine. H2O Man Nov 2015 #36
Ahhhh, thanks. MuseRider Nov 2015 #37
And thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #38
Very good ideas! MuseRider Nov 2015 #40
Thanks for putting into words Dem2 Nov 2015 #39
Thank you. H2O Man Nov 2015 #42
Bernie Sanders is to Hillary Clinton as Hillary Clinton is to a Republican. Zorra Nov 2015 #46
An apt parable... Ino Nov 2015 #49
Completely agree Kermitt Gribble Nov 2015 #47
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #51
Now that I'm reading through the entire thread, I see you once again bringing out the best in DU Hekate Nov 2015 #48
I'm impressed with H2O Man Nov 2015 #53
Making a strong case for, say, Mr Huckabee would be more challenging malthaussen Nov 2015 #95
kicking for as many annabanana Nov 2015 #50
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #54
I agree, it was a delightful forum. lark Nov 2015 #52
Well said! H2O Man Nov 2015 #55
I remember 1968 well DFW Nov 2015 #58
Evil Jinns - good way to describe it rosesaylavee Nov 2015 #59
McCarthy was also an influence DFW Nov 2015 #63
Very interesting. H2O Man Nov 2015 #66
I'm of two minds about online registration DFW Nov 2015 #70
I was near Watertown H2O Man Nov 2015 #74
My father's paper was the Watertown times DFW Nov 2015 #79
Interesting! H2O Man Nov 2015 #85
It's certainly possible. DFW Nov 2015 #90
Wow- you actually got to talk with Bobby Kennedy? Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #60
Well, sure, but don't forget: DFW Nov 2015 #61
Cool! Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #64
Bayh only briefly, but Dirksen was a hoot DFW Nov 2015 #65
OMG Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #67
I only remember Grin and Bear It DFW Nov 2015 #71
In used to watch that show with my grandfather on Sundays in the '60s Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #72
Larry Spivak used to run MTP as his own personal fifedom DFW Nov 2015 #81
So it actually was "an unrehearsed press conference" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #84
Grin and Bear It Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #73
The incomparable Senator Snort! Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #78
I still have H2O Man Nov 2015 #68
Cool! Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #75
A couple of years ago, H2O Man Nov 2015 #76
Wow! Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #77
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #80
I'll tell you one thing Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #88
My younger daughter graduated Pace Law in 2010! DFW Nov 2015 #82
Now, ain't that something? H2O Man Nov 2015 #86
Small Democratic board, too, don't forget DFW Nov 2015 #87
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #92
I never met Cuomo DFW Nov 2015 #93
Outstanding OP! BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #62
Well, thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #69
I've left here except for perusing for good articles and found your post. mmonk Nov 2015 #83
Thanks, Buddy! H2O Man Nov 2015 #89
Indeed. Your speculation may very well be right on point. mmonk Nov 2015 #91
"The change needed will not come from the parties or status quo." antigop Nov 2015 #102
Yes. mmonk Nov 2015 #103
Not unlike you, I don't choose to participate in these bunfights malthaussen Nov 2015 #94
Well said. H2O Man Nov 2015 #96
I wonder how much this trend towards extremism malthaussen Nov 2015 #112
That is key to H2O Man Nov 2015 #114
Today is a day for being ruminant... malthaussen Nov 2015 #115
Lovely post iwillalwayswonderwhy Nov 2015 #99
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #104
By the way, check your PM DFW Nov 2015 #100
Very much appreciated! H2O Man Nov 2015 #105
You would relate to the subject matter, I was confident DFW Nov 2015 #106
Very impressive! H2O Man Nov 2015 #108
You posted this: Maedhros Nov 2015 #101
Thank you for H2O Man Nov 2015 #107
While much of what you say is true, mmonk Nov 2015 #109
Endless arguing over facts... malthaussen Nov 2015 #113
I'm dreaming with you! NastyRiffraff Nov 2015 #110
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2015 #111
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