2016 Postmortem

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229. I think that it's a bit early yet for predictions like this

Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:11 PM

Nov 2015

Many people are not paying much attention yet. Primaries haven't even started, either. If Hillary wins the nomination, let's see what happens when people are actually forced to consider whoever the Republicans put up as their nominee. My guess is that most people will be a LOT more enthusiastic (or scared s***less of the Republican candidate) about voting for Hillary.

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Salon: "Hillary Not Electable in General Campaign" [View all] berni_mccoy Nov 2015 OP

H.A. Goodman!!! BootinUp Nov 2015 #1

You mean, for shits and giggles. DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #109

With the bashing of Hillary here we are helping the GOP have a clean sweep in 2016. The GOP is kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #155

Too many on our side have a severe case of I call. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #182

Great post! One of the 99 Nov 2015 #183

+1000 heaven05 Nov 2015 #189

PLEASE consider making this an OP. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #201

that's very good renate Nov 2015 #227

Spot-on LW1977 Nov 2015 #226

I think her 'inevitability' run up to announcing and the annointing roguevalley Nov 2015 #129

Thats ok BootinUp Nov 2015 #158

I really care, jkbRN Nov 2015 #212

Thats good to know! Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #224

An important question is how is Bernie going to win without the support of the minorities. olegramps Nov 2015 #194

I've been told here BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #203

Do you seriously think POC will vote for TRUMP over Bernie? Child PLEASE Vincardog Nov 2015 #221

Please reread what I wrote. They may not show up to vote. Period. olegramps Nov 2015 #232

Right they would rather stand in line for hours to vote for the candidate that helped push 3 strike Vincardog Nov 2015 #233

I have absolutely no problem with his civil rights record. olegramps Nov 2015 #235

I am sure he will overcome any perceived lack of favor. I don't worry about specious claims. Vincardog Nov 2015 #236

Ad hominem. No meaningful respone on the merits of the issue leveymg Nov 2015 #160

Waste of time. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #161

I've been saying this for months. eom Purveyor Nov 2015 #2

Many people have. Aerows Nov 2015 #7

I fear 2016 is going to be a fucking train wreck straight down Purveyor Nov 2015 #22

She is absolutely going to be a train wreck Aerows Nov 2015 #95

Amen Hepburn Nov 2015 #62

Wait. What? abelenkpe Nov 2015 #152

So have I. She's had high negatives among Indys since '08 leveymg Nov 2015 #163

Bernie cannot win the primary at the rate he is polling. bravenak Nov 2015 #3

THe article linked promotes the idea of NOT voting for Hillary randys1 Nov 2015 #6

Is that allowed? bravenak Nov 2015 #9

Wasn't that the sort of thing that got a long time DUer banned? eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #13

That one was worse, I think. bravenak Nov 2015 #17

The title of the linked article is just as bad. Eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #24

this is analysis, not advocacy restorefreedom Nov 2015 #26

The linked article is advocacy. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #28

i disagree. i think it walks a line, but restorefreedom Nov 2015 #36

We'll just have to wait until the Admins weigh in, then. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #43

yup. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #121

Guess we have our answer then berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #173

Repeatedly brushing off Plucketeer Nov 2015 #222

Its not a fine line when people keep shoveling the SOS from this moron.... Historic NY Nov 2015 #130

people are capable of thinking for themselves restorefreedom Nov 2015 #133

Well, "other" things are so I guess this is as well. leftofcool Nov 2015 #14

Many 'other' things. bravenak Nov 2015 #19

"Other" things... berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #29

And it is just sad leftofcool Nov 2015 #44

Only for the special people here, sis. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #82

Salon is and always has been an allowed source here. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2015 #149

The article shows why Dems should vote for Bernie in the primary. And Goodman says why merrily Nov 2015 #102

Merrily I will vote for her in the general if I have too madokie Nov 2015 #135

I could not agree more madokie--but keep that to yourself. merrily Nov 2015 #137

its ironic isnt it? restorefreedom Nov 2015 #23

This election breaks traditional thinking because it is anti establishment berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #41

yes, and it is so amazing to watch. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #42

Right up until we lose the White House... Chan790 Nov 2015 #101

sadly i can find no fault restorefreedom Nov 2015 #123

What a stupid insulting post redstateblues Nov 2015 #213

Exactly! ozone_man Nov 2015 #142

In Vermont, 25% of registered Republicans vote for him as well. merrily Nov 2015 #153

I have seen that here ozone_man Nov 2015 #166

Look at me, trying to teach my grandmother to suck eggs. Sorry! merrily Nov 2015 #167

Polls dont win elections... votes do. Bubzer Nov 2015 #195

The endless attacks are something to behold. I have to give it to Karl, he has orchestrated randys1 Nov 2015 #4

What attacks? berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #11

Oh my randys1 Nov 2015 #18

That's the authors opinion which I didn't quote berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #25

IT says she is not electable? If it says that, then it is even worse rightwing bullshit randys1 Nov 2015 #27

The article uses facts to support the claim. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #30

so who is claiming she is NOT electable? YOU or the article, using those exact words? randys1 Nov 2015 #33

The facts show it. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #34

So it is you, and no the facts dont show any such thing, but more importantly is your randys1 Nov 2015 #35

Oh my. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #38

No, I am upset that you are on Democratic Underground promoting the idea that our randys1 Nov 2015 #45

I'm reporting facts, plain and simple. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #46

Oh wait, now you are changing what you are saying, how about revising the thread title then randys1 Nov 2015 #50

Nope. Still reporting facts there too berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #54

No, nothing factual about yout comment, but you know that. What your comment is randys1 Nov 2015 #58

Do you attack Clinton supporters when they say the same jwirr Nov 2015 #89

That he cant win, I will and have whenever I see it. randys1 Nov 2015 #90

I actually think that this "s/he can't win" meme is dangerous jwirr Nov 2015 #97

Is it OK when Hillary does it? Ino Nov 2015 #180

Not that I've noticed--and he claims to be a supporter of and worker for Sanders. merrily Nov 2015 #98

I think you reported not only the facts, but also the conclusion you came to based on Cal33 Nov 2015 #112

Only in your bernie bubble. riversedge Nov 2015 #52

Hillary fans are losing their minds over the very polls berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #55

Your comment is LITERALLY doing the work for the GOP, LITERALLY randys1 Nov 2015 #60

How about voting for Sanders? That's what is also said in the post. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #64

Not the point. Just say this, say "you know what, you are right" randys1 Nov 2015 #67

And that's the problem ibegurpard Nov 2015 #71

Another poster on DU saying the leading candidate cant win. You cant do that here. randys1 Nov 2015 #72

read the polls in the article ibegurpard Nov 2015 #73

GOP steals elections by convincing people their vote doesnt count or matter. randys1 Nov 2015 #74

If she has electability problems, it's far better to ventilate that before the primary. merrily Nov 2015 #147

"You can't do that here".... TommyCelt Nov 2015 #199

What you wrote above "Only in your bernie bubble" is also stating your opinion based Cal33 Nov 2015 #118

"our candidate"? don't you mean your candidate? Hint: the Primary isn't over quite yet. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #78

NOBODY should be saying that ANY of our candidates cant win. Period randys1 Nov 2015 #85

Please wait until she is the nominee... Paka Nov 2015 #139

You're kidding, right Lordquinton Nov 2015 #207

Unaware of what, that Hillary cant win the election? Is that what you mean? randys1 Nov 2015 #215

That you lambaste Bernie supporters for calling Hillary unelectible Lordquinton Nov 2015 #219

Are you commenting on an article you didn't fucking read? Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #106

Oh i read it, and the NOT ELECTABLE wasnt in it, which is why I pointed that out over randys1 Nov 2015 #108

The assertion is there. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #111

Yes, and ALL the more reason the article shouldnt even be here. randys1 Nov 2015 #113

. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #116

And the article linked said HILLARY CANT WIN, might as well be Free Republic randys1 Nov 2015 #120

But it wasn't. It was from "progressive" Salon. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #122

Why are you trying to elect Ben Carson? Fuddnik Nov 2015 #124

Nice try, but it is well known here that I support the Democratic candidate. randys1 Nov 2015 #126

This was PM'd to me and I'd like to share it: marble falls Nov 2015 #191

I am afraid Clinton did this all to herself. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #192

Ditto! George II Nov 2015 #196

Bernie Not Even Electable In Primary. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #5

Maybe not, but the GOP agenda is to destroy Hillary before we find out who is electable. randys1 Nov 2015 #21

Exactly. Sanders has been spared the GOP onslaught up to now, while Hillary has been viciously hit. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #63

I think the GOP is deliberately avoiding mentioning Bernie in order to help keep his Cal33 Nov 2015 #138

If the GOP is afraid of Bernie, why are they attacking Hillary and donating to Bernie? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #174

Priebus probably has some trick up his sleeve with an ulterior motive, I guess. Sanders has stated Cal33 Nov 2015 #204

Well.....then if that's true and Bernie loses to someone who can't win the general Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #8

Nope. Bernie polls better against the repubs because he doesn't act like one berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #10

If Bernie is so great... Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #12

Don't worry.. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #15

Huh? OilemFirchen Nov 2015 #117

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #205

No. Apply logic before you post. merrily Nov 2015 #56

GOP nominee, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #66

Nope. Try again. merrily Nov 2015 #69

... Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #70

As a dispassionate observer I am compelled to admit none of the points you made... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #84

:) Babel_17 Nov 2015 #186

Richard Nixon Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #16

Incomparable elections. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #20

I don't think that we know this, yet. Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #107

Nixon had a 55.8% favorability rating in his first term. jeff47 Nov 2015 #39

Yes, people thought that Nixon was a executive Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #105

"Not like" would not give him that high a favorability rating. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #171

No but a look at the Dems running against him is interesting. zeemike Nov 2015 #154

+1 How soon some forget. kristopher Nov 2015 #200

Results of your Jury Service -- 3-4 to LEAVE IT. nashville_brook Nov 2015 #31

Alert fail. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #37

Yeah but compare juror 2 to juror 6. Too close. Catherina Nov 2015 #49

Dishonest alerting is prevalent in GDP this election cycle berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #53

I was Juror #5, you can thank me later. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #75

Thanks. berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #172

No kidding. But that's ok, we're gonna win despite the little tricks n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #103

i was 6 -- i believe this was a dishonest alert, and anyone *should* be able to see that nashville_brook Nov 2015 #91

I came across this juror comment yesterday. Puglover Nov 2015 #188

I'll bet you 100:1 that they are given the partisanship n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #198

wow d_r Nov 2015 #47

Trusting the prosecution. Total fail n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #51

juror #2 ibegurpard Nov 2015 #57

Totally agree Hepburn Nov 2015 #81

Some juror should alert on these results. Juror 2 should not sit on juries if he or she is not merrily Nov 2015 #61

Pretty pathetic to constantly try to get people banned. bunnies Nov 2015 #77

Holy Shit! TM99 Nov 2015 #104

And the Thought-less Police fail again Android3.14 Nov 2015 #140

lol juror number two. Doctor_J Nov 2015 #177

"I didn't read it" "I don't care what the issues are" "I don't want to debate, I want to talk about MisterP Nov 2015 #209

I guess I can't post my opinion of Goodman.... Adrahil Nov 2015 #32

You got alerted on for criticizing an professional author who is not a DUer? Seems implausible. merrily Nov 2015 #80

You can check out my transparency page. See for yourself. Adrahil Nov 2015 #87

Your transparency is not available to DUers other than yourself right now. merrily Nov 2015 #92

I did not know that! Adrahil Nov 2015 #93

Here ya go. Adrahil Nov 2015 #94

I am going to guess you should have used a name. I would never have hidden any criticism of a merrily Nov 2015 #96

I appreciate the advice. I will. But i know another reason.... Adrahil Nov 2015 #99

You're welcome. merrily Nov 2015 #100

I'm becoming a big fan of yours FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #131

Thanks! Let's elope. merrily Nov 2015 #134

LOL FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #141

What happens on the message board, stays on the message board. merrily Nov 2015 #144

You are a great asset to Bernie. FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #146

Whew. So many compliments! I usually hear that stuff only merrily Nov 2015 #151

If the party wants to win, they will back the candidate who has enough crossover appeal sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #40

May I also add that, IMHO, Clinton will not bring out gobs of certain Nay Nov 2015 #214

Oh yes he will, he has already! He's FURTHER ahead in bringing out those who had given up on the sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #217

Lordy lordy. H. A Goodman moves his pile of poop from Huff post to Salon. riversedge Nov 2015 #48

More ridiculous source shaming. You named two liberal sources. Your real complaint is anything merrily Nov 2015 #65

Not slamming the source but vile stupid Goodman!! riversedge Nov 2015 #79

Who has been published by 2 liberal sites. Sticking with your issue seems to be criticism of HRC. merrily Nov 2015 #83

They both do their share of Hit pieces on Hillary. But as I said, I was not dissing the riversedge Nov 2015 #88

You're saying anything the least bit critical of Hillary... paleotn Nov 2015 #136

What kind of IDIOT gets BANNED from REDDIT! ROFL!!!! MADem Nov 2015 #170

She will decimate us in Montana ibegurpard Nov 2015 #59

People in general are NOT neutral on Hillary Hepburn Nov 2015 #68

I see you understand just humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #114

" O K " DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #76

. stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #86

Totally agree with OP humbled_opinion Nov 2015 #110

K & R AzDar Nov 2015 #115

I WILL vote for the democrat in the elections. Period. As I write this I'm having a major argument.. BlueJazz Nov 2015 #119

The %'s looked pretty favorable for Hillary in spite of how the author was spinning them The_Casual_Observer Nov 2015 #125

The general is a long way off but the polling Hillary VS Crazy Republicans worries me. hollowdweller Nov 2015 #127

Can you imagine having Hillary lose to Trump? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #128

Except Trump will eventually implode.... Historic NY Nov 2015 #132

You're probably right. After all, Hillary's done that too. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #148

She is leading Trump with a 15 point margin in case you did know..... Historic NY Nov 2015 #168

It's still early. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #169

How does this H.A. Goodman get his articles published?!? Does he pay for them? I honestly don't get Metric System Nov 2015 #143

Cough*Cough*Cough*Cough*Cough* in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #145

Well said MissDeeds Nov 2015 #210

What a load sharp_stick Nov 2015 #150

No news here...she will never be president. It's not going to happen. bowens43 Nov 2015 #156

That's exactly what I see happening, sadly. closeupready Nov 2015 #216

This is what I have been saying all along emsimon33 Nov 2015 #157

H.A. Goodman just repackages the same material over and over oberliner Nov 2015 #159

Goodman. LOL...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #162

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #164

Why am I not surprised? Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #165

one negative for Clinton due to Sanders campaign is that a lot of people Doctor_J Nov 2015 #175

Are we still fixed on the idea that Trump will be the Republican nominee? RandySF Nov 2015 #176

"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Nov 2015 #178

Hillary will be our next President no matter what you do or say. onehandle Nov 2015 #179

Lol berni_mccoy Nov 2015 #181

wow... Hepburn Nov 2015 #190

Letting H.A. Goodman blog at Salon lowers my opinion of Salon considerably. DanTex Nov 2015 #184

Well, electability is an important issue Babel_17 Nov 2015 #185

Ok. n/t JTFrog Nov 2015 #187

the one on one debates will change that... lame54 Nov 2015 #193

A cinderblock could out-debate any Republican. randome Nov 2015 #208

And if neither Trump nor Sanders get the nomination? George II Nov 2015 #197

Yea yea yea Sanders will not be the DNC nominee and the best candidate is Hillary Clinton over any Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #202

The replies on that website... BklnDem75 Nov 2015 #206

Hillary did not lose in 2008 by being any worse than Obama . . . Utopian Leftist Nov 2015 #211

Sheesh, is everyone in this thread so hung up on bashing skepticscott Nov 2015 #218

This is the worthless opinion of H.A. Goodman, a Rand Paul 2016 supporter who likes to pose pnwmom Nov 2015 #220

Wonder if Plucketeer Nov 2015 #223

I think the Hillary people are counting on the GOP candidate being horrible, and he will be Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #225

Which is a fucking stupid strategy ibegurpard Nov 2015 #228

that is indeed a serious worry Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #231

I think that it's a bit early yet for predictions like this Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #229

The longer this goes on, the more I'm convinced of this AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #230

That's why they are trying to stop him he is the obvious winner sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #234

Hillary will never be our President madokie Nov 2015 #237

The Third Wayers would rather lose with Hillary than win with Bernie. Romulox Nov 2015 #238