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2016 Postmortem

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H2O Man

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Wed Nov 11, 2015, 09:41 PM Nov 2015

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“Even the president’s father had confided that he was unhappy with Rice. ‘Condi is a disappointment, isn’t she?’ the former president had offered, adding, ‘She’s not up to the job’.”
-- Bob Woodward; State of Denial; Simon & Schuster; 2006; page 420.


In the midst of the two major political parties’ presidential primaries, reports on a new biography of Bush the Elder should be of some interest. It isn’t the first time that the Elder has blamed others for the dismal failures of his son. More, the acrimonious relationship between the Elder and Donald Rumsfeld went back decades. What was “new” was the Company Man’s attack on the reputation of Dick Cheney.

This could easily be dismissed as a minor conflict between two old republicans. It might be viewed as some lingering tensions between the more corporate republican machine, and the Frankenstein monster of the neoconservative movement of the late 1990s to 2008. But it is actually more than that: it is the dried snakes skin, dropping off as an institution wrestles with the re-emerging neoconservative grasp for power within the republican party.

While on its surface, it lacks the entertainment value of The Donald Trump Show, or Dr. Ben Carson’s scientific melt-down when caught in a series of lies, it really has more important undertones. One must put it into a context that includes Cheney and Libby attacking two CIA employees -- Ambassador Joseph Wilson, and Valerie Plame -- one who had “official cover” with the State Department, and one who did not. And to fully appreciate that, one must know the full relationship between Bush the Elder and the CIA, which was not at all limited to his brief service as Director of the agency. (More, one should understand what “Arbusto Energy” really was, and the son’s failed attempt in the “energy”/intelligence field.)

It’s tempting to say that Dick Cheney is such a repulsive, evil human being, that we should simply ignore him. It is a disgrace that he wasn’t prosecuted for the many, many crimes that he committed as Vice President. If this was actually only about Cheney, it might be that simple.

But it’s not that simple. The fact that Cheney was “considering” the use of WMD in Iraq isn’t just a long-past episode of one deranged individual. No, it is about a sub-group found primarily within the republican party, that continues to pose a substantial threat to humanity. And some of these people are still found in and around Washington, DC, waiting to be re-cycled into government positions.

Indeed, well-informed people no doubt have noticed the manner in which Cheney’s “Dr. Strangelove” desires were presented in the classic two-step manner: first, the report that Bush the Elder vocalized criticism of VP Cheney; then, second, that Cheney had considered WMD for possible tactical use in the war. This is not the mere recollections of an aging politician, noting where there were minor policies differences being advocated in his son’s administration.

As strongly as people here on this forum feel about the two leading Democratic Party candidates -- and it is safe to say that both positive and negative passions are routinely expressed for and against Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders -- it is important to understand this, and its implications. One does not have to be either “pro-” or “anti-” Hillary Clinton to appreciate a number of factors. These go beyond what candidate that Joe Wilson and/or Valerie Plame currently support.

A person might think about some events connected to the Benghazi hearings, for example. I’m thinking about how a republican “leaked” that Ms. Clinton had released the identity of an important asset; the following day, a CIA official corrected the record, noting that this did not happen. More, I’m thinking of how republicans hint at, but never really pressed the issue, regarding the possible transfer of arms to non-“official” military combatants.

I have zero interest in suggesting that readers should vote for or against any individual in the Democratic primary season. But I cannot stress enough that we all look very closely at who among the republican candidates that the various factions in that party are pushing -- and, obviously, why.

Surely, some of the republican candidates are -- to use a term I learned years ago on this forum, and that I think captures their essence perfectly -- ass-clowns. Others are just downright terrible. But two of them are extremely dangerous. And I’m not saying we need to settle for the old “lesser of two evils.” Not even close. I am saying that we are at an extremely dangerous and volatile period in human history. Be aware, be awake.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Primary Factors [View all] H2O Man Nov 2015 OP
Truly sobering. K&R Nt NCTraveler Nov 2015 #1
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #2
I finished reading your op and sat back for a minute. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #3
One of the things H2O Man Nov 2015 #5
Cheney liberally salted the Civil Service with his moles before leaving, by changing job categories Hekate Nov 2015 #20
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #21
+1,000 times H2O!! 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #7
Thank you. H2O Man Nov 2015 #11
I believe that once the primary season is over the electorate will come to its senses corkhead Nov 2015 #4
Hopefully! H2O Man Nov 2015 #6
It's interesting how the different versions of people sometimes hold diametrically opposite views Fumesucker Nov 2015 #8
It makes you wonder, H2O Man Nov 2015 #12
Well RobertEarl Nov 2015 #9
Well said. H2O Man Nov 2015 #13
But let's not go overboard. malthaussen Nov 2015 #17
I would tend H2O Man Nov 2015 #22
there is no place for people who ride 9-11 to slaughter a million Iraqis and 5,000 Americans MisterP Nov 2015 #10
Yep. H2O Man Nov 2015 #14
On "All In," Chris Hayes H2O Man Nov 2015 #15
K&R, for later reading; am at work. n/t ms liberty Nov 2015 #16
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2015 #23
and how many Wall Streeters are lying in wait? antigop Nov 2015 #18
Well said! H2O Man Nov 2015 #25
"Two of them are extremely dangerous." Cruz was one of the speakers at the Kill The Gays meeting. Hekate Nov 2015 #19
Great point. H2O Man Nov 2015 #28
Dam*n, that last line is hilarious -- it made me laugh out loud Samantha Nov 2015 #42
Kick 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #24
Good OP as usual, I read the reports of Bush Sr and Cheney. And all of what you remind us of sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #26
Can you name a period of American history since the World War I years that was not presented merrily Nov 2015 #27
Fear, of course, has H2O Man Nov 2015 #29
Thank you. Cheney is not running in the Democratic primary, but someone who helped merrily Nov 2015 #30
in 08, you said Hillary was like a lynch mob and said she's unfit for Democrats. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #32
Histrionics are so unappealing. H2O Man Nov 2015 #33
His entire family's careers are Dick Cheney lunatica Nov 2015 #37
I agree, 100%. H2O Man Nov 2015 #40
This also made me think of other characters lovemydog Nov 2015 #31
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #36
Now that I can look back lunatica Nov 2015 #34
You are absolutely right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #38
Great post. Thanks. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #35
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #39
Excellent post, as always, H2OMan. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #41
kick'd and rec'd lunatica Nov 2015 #43
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