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2. Chomsky...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:06 PM
Dec 2015


The labor press of the early industrial revolution took strong positions on many issues that should have a resonance today. They took for granted that, as they put it, those who work in the mills should own them. They condemned wage labor, which to them was akin to slavery, the only difference being that it was supposedly temporary.

This was such a popular view that it was even part of the program of the Republican Party. It was also a main theme of the huge organized labor movement that was taking shape, the Knights of Labor, which began to establish links with the most important popular democratic party in the country’s history, the Farmers Alliance, later called the Populist movement, which originated with radical farmers in Texas and then spread through much of the country, forming collective enterprises, banks and marketing cooperatives and much more, movements that could have driven the country toward more authentic democracy if they had not been destroyed, largely by violence – though, interestingly, similar developments are underway today in the old Rust Belt and elsewhere, very important for the future, I think.


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The concept of the Common Good that is being relentlessly driven into our heads demands that we focus on our own private gain, and suppress normal human emotions of solidarity, mutual support and concern for others. That I think is also an important part of what lies behind the assault on public education and on Social Security that has been waged by sectors of corporate wealth for years, on pretexts of cost that cannot be sustained, and against strong public opposition.

What lies behind these campaigns, I suspect, is that public education and Social Security, like national healthcare, are based on the conception that we care for other people: we care that the disabled widow across town has food to eat, or that the kids down the street have schooling ("why should I pay taxes for schools? I don’t have kids there&quot . And beyond that, that we care about the tens of millions are dying every year because they cannot obtain medical care, or about dying infants, and others who are vulnerable.


http://www.alternet.org/visions/chomsky-corporations-and-richest-americans-viscerally-oppose-common-good-0
Socialist Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #1
As a Sanders Supporter, I agree. Socialist Democrats would be more acceptable. I think it libdem4life Dec 2015 #3
It gets a bit hard to follow the distinctions in nomenclature Babel_17 Dec 2015 #4
No its quite simple VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #6
Linguistics is culture...a noun is different than an adjective used to delineate a noun. We start libdem4life Dec 2015 #7
Ooh, nice burn! Babel_17 Dec 2015 #10
Nope VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #11
And VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #12
Consider yourself schooled VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #13
Copy-pasting wikipedia isn't exactly "schooling" someone Scootaloo Dec 2015 #29
Hahahahaha... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #53
Can you make a multi-paragraph argument without copy-pasting Wikipedia? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #72
Are you President of DU now? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #73
Who cares about Norway or Sweden. They don't get a vote here. I'm ignoring your libdem4life Dec 2015 #68
Apparently Bernie Sanders does... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #74
What is fascinating, if you'll look back, I agreed with you. From there on it was parsing libdem4life Dec 2015 #78
Its not about how the word hurts him VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #79
There are more tendencies within socialist philosophies than just Marxism. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #30
Yes. But can you imagine getting any of this across to an Iowa farmer? libdem4life Dec 2015 #71
You do make a fair point. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2015 #76
Who makes up your definitions? immoderate Dec 2015 #8
:) Babel_17 Dec 2015 #9
Wrong.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #14
Wrong VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #16
OK, but where does my quote suggest different? Babel_17 Dec 2015 #17
This is Democratic Underground VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #19
I think the media will get to all of that Babel_17 Dec 2015 #22
Pretty sure they have consolidated on a candidate now... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #23
You're wasting your time Scootaloo Dec 2015 #33
Who makes mine? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #15
Am I not one of them? immoderate Dec 2015 #31
Wrong as always AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #48
Bullfucking shit... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #58
Chomsky... Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #2
Chomsky does bore down. Good link, thanks! Babel_17 Dec 2015 #5
If the Republicans yell "Sanders is a self-identified Socialist"... brooklynite Dec 2015 #18
He's like Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt, and Ike, and Babel_17 Dec 2015 #21
Like Lincoln? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #24
What Thou Formulate? Babel_17 Dec 2015 #25
Shakes head... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #26
No, I'm referring to my OP, "the history of progressivism" Babel_17 Dec 2015 #27
You are fighting a losing battle here, Babel. DU'ers who support HRC have nothing to add to the mother earth Dec 2015 #80
He's MLK, Jesus, and the Pope all rolled into one MaggieD Dec 2015 #38
Wine? PARTY!!! floriduck Dec 2015 #77
This is offensive. liberalnarb Dec 2015 #81
Guess that integrity schtick is blown all to hell now! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #82
"yes he is (you lose)" - how, exactly, is that losing? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #34
Pretending that he was always a Democrat for one! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #83
Poll: Most Americans unwilling to vote for a socialist brooklynite Dec 2015 #85
Do you have any argument or opinion that doesn't come from a poll? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #86
Why would we lose? liberalnarb Dec 2015 #84
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #20
Some more context Babel_17 Dec 2015 #28
Do they oppose ALL Capitalism? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #55
There was an article at The Washington Post that highlights where we are Babel_17 Dec 2015 #32
And yet the terms poll so poorly Gothmog Dec 2015 #35
Yeah, there's something to that Babel_17 Dec 2015 #36
The people are smarter than you give them credit for. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #56
. Babel_17 Dec 2015 #61
Sanders' own campaign manager does not think that Sanders will be the nominee Gothmog Dec 2015 #70
If socialism is so great.... MaggieD Dec 2015 #37
Labor existed before money Babel_17 Dec 2015 #39
Nobody gets paid without capital - that is a fact MaggieD Dec 2015 #40
I'm working for love! Babel_17 Dec 2015 #41
Is that the plan? MaggieD Dec 2015 #42
lol, so you got the point about labor? Babel_17 Dec 2015 #43
No, I think you are living in fantasy land MaggieD Dec 2015 #44
. Babel_17 Dec 2015 #45
Her supporters now push supply side AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #49
They are Socialist Democrats.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #51
Could you be even less relevant? AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #52
Less relevent? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #54
Your posts of late have reverted into little more than AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #57
Damn skippy bye... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #60
Working for love, in all the wrong places Babel_17 Dec 2015 #46
"The point here is not to defend socialism" Babel_17 Dec 2015 #47
Socialist object to and oppose Capitalism VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #50
The history of the Progressive movement suggests otherwise Babel_17 Dec 2015 #59
They split on Capitalism years ago.. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #62
Not sure what you're replying to Babel_17 Dec 2015 #63
This is Democratic Underground VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #64
Not sure what you're replying to Babel_17 Dec 2015 #65
Yes you do... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #66
lol. You don't actually reply to what I'm saying Babel_17 Dec 2015 #67
some great posts of yours on this thread Vanilla Rhapsody redstateblues Dec 2015 #69
Exactly right... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #75
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