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Showing Original Post only (View all)If I Admit That ‘Hating Men’ Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy? [View all]
Okay, so maybe you are a man. Maybe you haven't had the easiest ride in lifemaybe you grew up in poverty; you've experienced death, neglect, and despair; you hate your job, your car, your body. Maybe somebody (or multiple somebodies) pulverized your heart, or maybe you've never even been loved enough to know what a broken heart feels like. Maybe shit started out unfair and became irreparable and you never deserved any of this. Maybe everything looks fine on paper, but you're just unhappy and you don't know why. These are human problems and other human beings feel for you very deeply. It is hard to be a human. I am so sorry.
However.
Though it is a seductive scapegoat (I understand why it attracts you), none of these terrible, painful problems in your life were caused by the spectre of "misandry." You can rest easy about that, I promise! In fact, the most powerful proponent of misandry in modern internet discourse is you specifically, your dogged insistence that misandry is a genuine, systemic, oppressive force on par with misogyny. This is specious, it hurts women, and it is hurting you. Most feminists don't hate men, as a group (we hate the system that disproportionately favors men at the expense of women), but congratulations! we are starting to hate you. You, the person. Your obsession with misandry has turned misandry into a self-fulfilling prophecy. (I mean, sort of. Hating individual men is not the same as hating all men. But more on that in a minute.) Are you happy now? Is this what you wanted? Feminism is, in essence, a social justice movementit wants to take the side of the alienated and the marginalized, and that includes alienated and marginalized men. Please stop turning us against you.
It is nearly impossible to address problems facing womenespecially problems in which men are even tangentially culpablewithout comments sections devolving into cries of "misandry!" from men and replies of "misandry isn't real" from women. Feminists are tired of this endless, fruitless turd-pong: hollow "conversation" built on willful miscommunication, bouncing back and forth, back and forth, until both sides throw up their hands and bolt. Maybe you are tired of this too. We seem to be having some very deep misunderstandings on this point, so let's unpack it. I promise not to yell.
However.
Though it is a seductive scapegoat (I understand why it attracts you), none of these terrible, painful problems in your life were caused by the spectre of "misandry." You can rest easy about that, I promise! In fact, the most powerful proponent of misandry in modern internet discourse is you specifically, your dogged insistence that misandry is a genuine, systemic, oppressive force on par with misogyny. This is specious, it hurts women, and it is hurting you. Most feminists don't hate men, as a group (we hate the system that disproportionately favors men at the expense of women), but congratulations! we are starting to hate you. You, the person. Your obsession with misandry has turned misandry into a self-fulfilling prophecy. (I mean, sort of. Hating individual men is not the same as hating all men. But more on that in a minute.) Are you happy now? Is this what you wanted? Feminism is, in essence, a social justice movementit wants to take the side of the alienated and the marginalized, and that includes alienated and marginalized men. Please stop turning us against you.
It is nearly impossible to address problems facing womenespecially problems in which men are even tangentially culpablewithout comments sections devolving into cries of "misandry!" from men and replies of "misandry isn't real" from women. Feminists are tired of this endless, fruitless turd-pong: hollow "conversation" built on willful miscommunication, bouncing back and forth, back and forth, until both sides throw up their hands and bolt. Maybe you are tired of this too. We seem to be having some very deep misunderstandings on this point, so let's unpack it. I promise not to yell.
http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit-that-hating-men-is-a-thing-will-you-stop-turning-it-into-a-self+fulfilling-prophecy
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If I Admit That ‘Hating Men’ Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy? [View all]
ismnotwasm
Mar 2013
OP
Vinny has been blocked. It is disruptive to say feminists, in a safe haven group,
boston bean
Mar 2013
#5
that would be the ideal ... yes, that all are treated equally as humans
Tuesday Afternoon
Mar 2013
#10
yes. the class warfare even if there was a classless society gender issues could still exist.
Tuesday Afternoon
Mar 2013
#13
yes, I know. but, if we (all of us) treat everyone (all of us) with respect then
Tuesday Afternoon
Mar 2013
#41
What power does your examples hold over you? Do you make less on the dollar?
boston bean
Mar 2013
#15
It's not a matter of "not-persecuted"--it's a matter of persecution by those not-persecuted...
Moonwalk
Mar 2013
#35
Did you really just say that feminism (in general) is not about social justice?
nomorenomore08
Mar 2013
#51
so, your suggestion is it not be a womans movement but a class movement. yes. this has been
seabeyond
Mar 2013
#58
you then believe that the Civil Rights movement were not in fact about Social Justice?
LanternWaste
Apr 2013
#69
I've noticed that many idiots purposefully confuse the words "bashing" with
LanternWaste
Apr 2013
#73
this is such a very good post. i could feel the anger and was right there wiht you
seabeyond
Mar 2013
#40
it's not as if we haven't seen it patiently explained a dozen times lately....
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#76
That suggestion, that we should 'sell' feminism to men in a way that feeds their fucking egos,
redqueen
Apr 2013
#82
not your mama. i say repeatedly and having my share of being a mama, know when someone is demanding
seabeyond
Apr 2013
#83
Perhaps a bullet point list like that could be pinned to the top of this group. nt
redqueen
Mar 2013
#47
That's a great list of ideas and ideals. Lays out just about everything perfectly.
nomorenomore08
Mar 2013
#53
have you read cnn and all the other comments section talking about american women, buy foreign,
seabeyond
Apr 2013
#75
i am particular on using either misogyny or sexism. and try to keep it honest. my point
seabeyond
Apr 2013
#90
Feminists are not misandrists, but misandrists can mis-identify, mistakenly or otherwise, as feminis
patrice
Apr 2013
#77
I'm for whatever works to be as honestly INCLUSIVE of women as possible. It might also help if
patrice
Apr 2013
#86
ya. the problem. speak up and watch the shit fly, lol. i wanted to say, i do not know i have hated
seabeyond
Mar 2013
#60
I posted a thread in gd a few weeks back voicing my thoughts on the guys here that act that way.
Arcanetrance
Mar 2013
#61
lol lol. when i saw your name, i could nto remember the specific but i remembered
seabeyond
Mar 2013
#62
yes. i remember. you and other men spoke up. and still, the guys and their supporters continued a
seabeyond
Mar 2013
#64
my bad. me too. and it took me years to see thru the haze of continually being told by liberal men
seabeyond
Mar 2013
#66
There are women who don't care for men as a group, just as there are African-Americans who
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#78