History of Feminism

ismnotwasm

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33. It's a way of reaching out unfortunately

Sat Mar 30, 2013, 01:37 PM

Mar 2013

Throwing radfems under the bus-- without quite defining what they are or what they stand for.

For some doing this is apparently necessary to start a conversation although by the responses in this thread it doesn't quite work either, although I'm sure the tongue in cheek tone of the article didn't help.

The bottom line is those with privilege aren't going to acknowledge it without seeing that its necessary for social Good, without actively wanting to, staying aware, and recognizing areas where personal privilege affects others. This includes any kind of privilege.

What's hilarious to me is I see gender as a continuum, not a binary as presented here. The angriest responses to these kind of articles tend to deliberately polarize, with indignation , as opposed to a well thought out reply from a male perspective, and I greatly appreciate those who try.

Back to work (sigh)

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If I Admit That ‘Hating Men’ Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy? [View all] ismnotwasm Mar 2013 OP

Double Heh! k&r Little Star Mar 2013 #1

I am so glad you posted this. MadrasT Mar 2013 #2

What a wonderful straw man argument. Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #3

Oh, the irony of this statement being made in a feminist forum... MadrasT Mar 2013 #4

Vinny has been blocked. It is disruptive to say feminists, in a safe haven group, boston bean Mar 2013 #5

hah, and we're "threatening" him? that's delusional n/t zazen Mar 2013 #36

Really good read. boston bean Mar 2013 #6

"there are so many strains of feminism" Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #26

This: CrispyQ Mar 2013 #38

That's how they defeated the ERA before... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #43

isn't gender rights basically a subset of individual rights? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #7

I think you may be missing something here... boston bean Mar 2013 #8

that would be the ideal ... yes, that all are treated equally as humans Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #10

Of course, TA. boston bean Mar 2013 #12

yes. the class warfare even if there was a classless society gender issues could still exist. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #13

Well put! haikugal Mar 2013 #27

I love the Freddy Krueger analogy. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #50

We have generations of conditioning to reverse. CrispyQ Mar 2013 #39

yes, I know. but, if we (all of us) treat everyone (all of us) with respect then Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #41

that really becomes the problem hfojvt Mar 2013 #9

What power does your examples hold over you? Do you make less on the dollar? boston bean Mar 2013 #15

that's the typical justification for bigotry hfojvt Mar 2013 #21

Can you make the distinction please. boston bean Mar 2013 #22

It's not a matter of "not-persecuted"--it's a matter of persecution by those not-persecuted... Moonwalk Mar 2013 #35

That's not what it says BainsBane Apr 2013 #79

that's a whole lot of verbiage hfojvt Apr 2013 #84

I didn't say that BainsBane Apr 2013 #87

see this BainsBane Apr 2013 #80

Misandry is OK if $ and power are not involved? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #30

No, the point is misandry is not institutional. boston bean Mar 2013 #31

So the answer is "yes." Heard it for decades. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #37

the answer is no. nt boston bean Mar 2013 #44

Did you really just say that feminism (in general) is not about social justice? nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #51

in what way is it absurd? hfojvt Mar 2013 #56

Are you standing on your head? DURHAM D Mar 2013 #57

"I do it again and again" hfojvt Apr 2013 #68

so, your suggestion is it not be a womans movement but a class movement. yes. this has been seabeyond Mar 2013 #58

no, the OP claimed that it already was hfojvt Apr 2013 #67

you then believe that the Civil Rights movement were not in fact about Social Justice? LanternWaste Apr 2013 #69

it was and it wasn't hfojvt Apr 2013 #81

What the FUCK is it about this issue? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #11

No one is bored with their lives. boston bean Mar 2013 #14

Another disruptor MadrasT Mar 2013 #17

Yeah. Excuse me for getting in the way of ANOTHER brain dead thread Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #19

Your posts here certainly fit the "brain dead" description. boston bean Mar 2013 #20

Discussion? Endless gender bashing qualifies as discussion? Buzz Clik Mar 2013 #23

How bored one must be to shit in threads they claim are too "boring" n/t MadrasT Mar 2013 #24

What qualifies to you as interesting? ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #34

I've noticed that many idiots purposefully confuse the words "bashing" with LanternWaste Apr 2013 #73

what is it latern, besides the two glasses of wine. i talk the issue. and seabeyond Apr 2013 #74

Victim-hood excringency Mar 2013 #16

Thank you for sharing your experience MadrasT Mar 2013 #18

+1 ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #32

this is such a very good post. i could feel the anger and was right there wiht you seabeyond Mar 2013 #40

Thank you for an outstanding post. CrispyQ Mar 2013 #42

worthy of its own thread Skittles Mar 2013 #55

it's not as if we haven't seen it patiently explained a dozen times lately.... bettyellen Apr 2013 #76

That suggestion, that we should 'sell' feminism to men in a way that feeds their fucking egos, redqueen Apr 2013 #82

not your mama. i say repeatedly and having my share of being a mama, know when someone is demanding seabeyond Apr 2013 #83

hell yes, it makes me crazy too bettyellen Apr 2013 #91

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #92

Personally, I'm tired of the whole fight, caseymoz Mar 2013 #25

I think you're taking things more personally than you need to. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #52

And I think many men do caseymoz Mar 2013 #54

Ha, she doesn't realize that she, herself, is a radical feminist. redqueen Mar 2013 #28

Yeah, that is the one thing that stuck out to me. boston bean Mar 2013 #29

It's a way of reaching out unfortunately ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #33

Thoughts. kjones Mar 2013 #45

Here is the issue in a nutshell. boston bean Mar 2013 #46

Perhaps a bullet point list like that could be pinned to the top of this group. nt redqueen Mar 2013 #47

lol. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #48

No, really. redqueen Mar 2013 #49

That's really juvenile. kjones Apr 2013 #70

I wasn't referring to your post in that reply. redqueen Apr 2013 #72

Ok then kjones Apr 2013 #88

That's a great list of ideas and ideals. Lays out just about everything perfectly. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #53

You are absolutely right. kjones Apr 2013 #71

have you read cnn and all the other comments section talking about american women, buy foreign, seabeyond Apr 2013 #75

What I said. kjones Apr 2013 #89

i am particular on using either misogyny or sexism. and try to keep it honest. my point seabeyond Apr 2013 #90

Feminists are not misandrists, but misandrists can mis-identify, mistakenly or otherwise, as feminis patrice Apr 2013 #77

That's interesting and smart ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #85

I'm for whatever works to be as honestly INCLUSIVE of women as possible. It might also help if patrice Apr 2013 #86

I don't think any feminists I've ever met hated men as a whole. Arcanetrance Mar 2013 #59

ya. the problem. speak up and watch the shit fly, lol. i wanted to say, i do not know i have hated seabeyond Mar 2013 #60

I posted a thread in gd a few weeks back voicing my thoughts on the guys here that act that way. Arcanetrance Mar 2013 #61

lol lol. when i saw your name, i could nto remember the specific but i remembered seabeyond Mar 2013 #62

I can look through my posts Arcanetrance Mar 2013 #63

yes. i remember. you and other men spoke up. and still, the guys and their supporters continued a seabeyond Mar 2013 #64

I was bothered to see how many hours just rejected the entire discussion. Arcanetrance Mar 2013 #65

my bad. me too. and it took me years to see thru the haze of continually being told by liberal men seabeyond Mar 2013 #66

There are women who don't care for men as a group, just as there are African-Americans who geek tragedy Apr 2013 #78