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Response to redqueen (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 11:11 PM

26. Curiously, you're taking the word here largely of women...

and not getting much input from men about what we think is attractive.

The legendary catcalls from construction workers on Third Avenue, btw, do not reflect the views of most men-- it's just the competition between dumb guys to make the rudest comments.

But, yes, it is looking to a certain standard that gets you Playmate of the Year. And the papparazi do seem to concentrate on plunging necklines and the fan rags will report on the effects of that last donut.

Back in the real world, however, for reasons best known to cultural anthropologists, men and women have always dressed differently. Women have generally been a bit more decorative, although men haven't always been blandly dressed. I believe Greek and Roman women wore makeup, while men didn't. Same with Asians over the centuries. (Someone will no doubt correct me if my history is in error.)

In modern times, nobody really cares what men look like. Women are the focus of fashion and body type. I don't know why, but it is far too pervasive to simply say some male powers on high are calling the shots. All of the fashion magazines and many, if not most, of the fashion houses and cosmetic companies are run by women. With few exceptions now, it's women who decree this year's styles.

To say that one of the top 5 (possibly the second largest) industries in the world ("Making Women Look Good" has as its core simply to get men excited is ridiculous. Not only might someone have noticed that men aren't all that particular and women can get sex no matter what they look like, but such an enterprise would have to have not just the tacit acceptance of half the world's population, but its active participation.

Maybe it all started eons ago as getting an edge over the other women to catch the guy everyone wanted, but it's gotten completely out of hand now. And if there is a vestige of that competition left in our genes, it shows in the cattiness and slut shaming you can find in any school-- whether the girls gym or the PTA.

Speaking as a guy-- yes we may notice and appreciate it when you put on the paint, get your hair done, clothe your hot bod in your pushup bra and tight dress and accentuate your great legs with a short skirt and heels...

But that is not why we love you.

(Editing is just spelling and grammar)

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