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TreasonousBastard

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26. Curiously, you're taking the word here largely of women...
Mon Aug 26, 2013, 12:11 AM
Aug 2013

and not getting much input from men about what we think is attractive.

The legendary catcalls from construction workers on Third Avenue, btw, do not reflect the views of most men-- it's just the competition between dumb guys to make the rudest comments.

But, yes, it is looking to a certain standard that gets you Playmate of the Year. And the papparazi do seem to concentrate on plunging necklines and the fan rags will report on the effects of that last donut.

Back in the real world, however, for reasons best known to cultural anthropologists, men and women have always dressed differently. Women have generally been a bit more decorative, although men haven't always been blandly dressed. I believe Greek and Roman women wore makeup, while men didn't. Same with Asians over the centuries. (Someone will no doubt correct me if my history is in error.)

In modern times, nobody really cares what men look like. Women are the focus of fashion and body type. I don't know why, but it is far too pervasive to simply say some male powers on high are calling the shots. All of the fashion magazines and many, if not most, of the fashion houses and cosmetic companies are run by women. With few exceptions now, it's women who decree this year's styles.

To say that one of the top 5 (possibly the second largest) industries in the world ("Making Women Look Good&quot has as its core simply to get men excited is ridiculous. Not only might someone have noticed that men aren't all that particular and women can get sex no matter what they look like, but such an enterprise would have to have not just the tacit acceptance of half the world's population, but its active participation.

Maybe it all started eons ago as getting an edge over the other women to catch the guy everyone wanted, but it's gotten completely out of hand now. And if there is a vestige of that competition left in our genes, it shows in the cattiness and slut shaming you can find in any school-- whether the girls gym or the PTA.

Speaking as a guy-- yes we may notice and appreciate it when you put on the paint, get your hair done, clothe your hot bod in your pushup bra and tight dress and accentuate your great legs with a short skirt and heels...

But that is not why we love you.

(Editing is just spelling and grammar)

That is the best rant I've read in a while. gollygee Aug 2013 #1
"Real men" equal the kind of men safeinOhio Aug 2013 #2
I actually think women are more critical of their own appearance BainsBane Aug 2013 #3
I used to believe that. redqueen Aug 2013 #6
Curiously, you're taking the word here largely of women... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #26
Back in the real world, at the link above, redqueen Aug 2013 #31
One or two small points ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #32
I love that my wife does 'maintenance' for me Bay Boy Aug 2013 #4
Congratulations. redqueen Aug 2013 #5
Huh? Bay Boy Aug 2013 #7
You know perfectly and no subtly in playing your game. seabeyond Aug 2013 #14
I know nothing... Bay Boy Aug 2013 #18
And do you emerge a perfect fantasy for your wife? ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #16
I do my part... Bay Boy Aug 2013 #17
I make my wife get up an hour before me... Bay Boy Aug 2013 #20
I can't speak for her... redqueen Aug 2013 #23
I think most men could give a shit. They'll go along with whatever's popular. MADem Aug 2013 #8
This affects girls and young women to a significant degree. redqueen Aug 2013 #9
Did I suggest -- ever -- that this was "meaningless?" MADem Aug 2013 #11
Why are you talking about fashion? redqueen Aug 2013 #13
Thank you for posting that video. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #21
The pleasure is all mine, believe me. nt redqueen Aug 2013 #22
You have very valid point ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #15
The playing field is being leveled....! It's a slow process, but it is happening.... MADem Aug 2013 #19
I remember the first time ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #10
THIS MadrasT Aug 2013 #12
... ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #24
Question about a man commenting on a woman’s appearance Jim Lane Aug 2013 #25
Yikes ismnotwasm Aug 2013 #28
That's pretty much what I did. More detail in my response to BainsBane. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #33
Just say you look nice BainsBane Aug 2013 #29
Agreed. It'a definite jerk behavior. Dash87 Aug 2013 #30
I think this is an exception to your point about being controlling. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #34
We need a Martha Argerich School of Beauty BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #27
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