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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:27 AM Jul 2014

"Quit Fucking Asking Me Questions: A Refresher Course" [View all]

It seems like this important message is in need of further clarification.

So here's another take.

When it comes to being a woman on the internet, there are enough frustrating roadblocks every day to make your brain liquefy and dribble out your ear all gross (more frustrating roadblocks than there are fireplaces at Rosings Park, AMIRITE). But possibly the most frustrating of all are the gnashing hordes constantly demanding that you educate them, educate them, educate them. Oh, you write about sexism on the internet? Well, before we get into all that boring nuance and subtle gender dynamics that feminist scholars have been demarcating for years, can you just back up 17,000 steps and prove to me that inequality exists?

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Frank Bruni's op-ed on Monday, titled "Sexism's Puzzling Stamina," was painful in its simplicity. It's comforting to hear gender inequality stated so plainly—accepted so calmly and wholly—by someone outside of the feminist blogosphere. The fact is, our culture is still dealing with the same basic shit that was outraging kitchen-table progressives 20 years ago. We confuse comfort for freedom and then lambast women for complaining. We blame victims and apologize for predators. We dictate, to exacting standards, how women's bodies should look and move. We see nothing wrong with asking a female professional how her kids handle her frequent business trips, and whether or not she's considered staying home. We do not ask the same of men.

While racism and homophobia are treated, in mainstream discourse, like abominations (however meekly we might combat them and however aggressively they go to ground), sexism is still something of a grey area. Here's Bruni:

I keep flashing back more than two decades, to 1991. That was the year of the Tailhook incident, in which some 100 Navy and Marine aviators were accused of sexually assaulting scores of women. It was the year of Susan Faludi’s runaway best seller, “Backlash,” on the “war against American women,” as the subtitle said. It was when the issue of sexual harassment took center stage in Clarence Thomas’s confirmation hearings.

All in all it was a festival of teachable moments, raising our consciousness into the stratosphere. So where are we, fully 22 years later?

We’re listening to Saxby Chambliss, a senator from Georgia, attribute sexual abuse in the military to the ineluctable “hormone level” of virile young men in proximity to nubile young women.


And:

Our racial bigotry has often been tied to the ignorance abetted by unfamiliarity, our homophobia to a failure to realize how many gay people we know and respect.

Well, women are in the next cubicle, across the dinner table, on the other side of the bed.


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Maybe I shouldn't be so hostile. If you've been on the receiving end of a "hush, the grown-ups are talking" or a crying cat gif, and that was painful for you, my bad. After all you're just asking, and wasn't I just saying that I'm committed to discourse and critical thinking? Yes. I am. But here's the thing: you're not. This isn't a new derailing tactic—it's ancient. One million people have written about it before me. But if my Twitter feed is any indication, plenty of people haven't read up on their own bad behavior (weird) and need a goddamn refresher. So here's the late, great Derailing for Dummies on the subject. (Sometimes I just read Derailing for Dummies over and over again instead of therapy.)

By insisting you can only learn if they right then and there sacrifice further hours of time going over the same ground they have so often in the past, you may also make them give up and go away altogether, enabling you to win by default.

But further, you give the impression that you really want to learn, but they’re holding you back! That’s right, using this tactic you can suggest that full understanding is what you crave – you want to be a better, more connected and compassionate person – but it’s not your fault! Nobody ever gave you the education! And now that someone is here who is so obviously qualified, they’re denying you your Privilege® given right to have everything you want handed to you on a platter!


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http://jezebel.com/quit-fucking-asking-me-questions-a-refresher-course-512810149



I'm sure feminists are well aware of the difference between someone who is genuinely interested in engaging with feminists about feminism and feminist issues, and someone who is not.

There are differing opinions about the benefit of feeding such trolls. Sure some who are just reading the discussions might learn stuff and if so that's great.

The point is that a refusal to do so should not be misconstrued as a feminist 'not doing her job' or 'not being a good activist'... this is a derailing tactic and anyone who ignores these requests is most certainly not acting in bad faith by doing so.
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"But here's the thing: you're not." JTFrog Jul 2014 #1
it is easily recognized whent he person is actually given the info, chooses to ignore the info, to seabeyond Jul 2014 #2
This comment from the replies there spells it out well. redqueen Jul 2014 #4
what is relly the hoot is the demand of all women to educate adn the voicing crying feminists are seabeyond Jul 2014 #7
this^ so much^ this .... and especially this = Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #11
point. as they yell... i am a woman and i say, i feel sorry for men. lol. oh vey. lol. hear me seabeyond Jul 2014 #12
So tired of it all. And watching it happen in HoF is really just wearing me down. It can happen ALL Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #14
"Post-sexist world?" malthaussen Jul 2014 #8
An excellent observation nt redqueen Jul 2014 #9
Which stresses the need for education... malthaussen Jul 2014 #13
Well there's an assumption there that the ignorant want to learn. redqueen Jul 2014 #19
Mmm, I was thinking from the top-down rather than bottom-up. malthaussen Jul 2014 #22
And my view is that if they think so, they have not been listening to feminists. redqueen Jul 2014 #25
i have to tell my boys, i was raised in a time i could not get a credit card in my name. it was seabeyond Jul 2014 #10
Being a child of white-boy privilege... malthaussen Jul 2014 #16
Great post ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #18
Yeah, kind of ties in with yours downthread.:) malthaussen Jul 2014 #20
Aside from ass kissing or kicking though, there is listening... redqueen Jul 2014 #24
I'd say that goes without saying... malthaussen Jul 2014 #27
See, I am a member of the new younger generation. F4lconF16 Jul 2014 #31
i have to believe that also. it is such in your face. everywhere. seabeyond Jul 2014 #32
A third alternative would wilfully ingenuous. malthaussen Jul 2014 #39
Being disingenuous is often the opening to a Socratic line... malthaussen Jul 2014 #3
Bingo! redqueen Jul 2014 #5
thats it. that is the different approach. those that are immediately trying to seabeyond Jul 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #15
Damn that was good ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #17
"They haven't learned because they haven't bothered to learn." redqueen Jul 2014 #44
The thing that struck me in a subthread conversation on that last thread was this: imagine saying Squinch Jul 2014 #21
I've often thought the same thing, Squinch. malthaussen Jul 2014 #26
What is shocking to me is that I have never quite put two and two together and thought that before. Squinch Jul 2014 #28
That's what makes epiphanies so much fun. malthaussen Jul 2014 #30
i would rather live ina kind of fake than the brutal reality. why? cause the more people show seabeyond Jul 2014 #33
A lot of the rules of common courtesy were designed to keep us from ripping each other's lungs out.. malthaussen Jul 2014 #40
And that is why it is insulting the way things Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #34
Well that I've always known. The fact that feminists here have to constantly justify their Squinch Jul 2014 #35
Amen Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #36
you are so right on. and you point there in the initial post. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #37
... or you have something invested in not understanding it. nt redqueen Jul 2014 #45
Thank you for the "Derailing for Dummies." ancianita Jul 2014 #23
My pleasure redqueen Jul 2014 #43
This explains it well JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #29
I'm glad I went ahead and posted it. redqueen Jul 2014 #42
thank you for restating your concerns in this post awake Jul 2014 #38
I'm so glad to know it was helpful. redqueen Jul 2014 #41
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