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Ichingcarpenter

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54. HILLARY'S VISION
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:16 AM
Feb 2015

Last edited Thu Feb 26, 2015, 04:18 AM - Edit history (1)

As a presidential candidate, says one political veteran, Hillary Clinton does not offer the country a “fresh start.” “For all of her advantages, she is not a healing figure,” he continues. “The more she tries to moderate her image … the more she compounds her exposure as an opportunist. And after two decades of the Bush-Clinton saga, making herself the candidate of the future could be a challenge.”

Who said this? Marco Rubio? Scott Walker? A consultant for their fledgling 2016 campaigns? In fact, none of the above. They are the words of David Axelrod, the uber-strategist for Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign, and are drawn from his new memoir, Believer. The hefty, engaging book has been dissected mostly for Axelrod’s analysis of his former client and his presidency, but it’s actually far more remarkable from another vantage: It is a reminder of how far liberals who were in the pro-Obama camp in 2008 have traveled in their view of Hillary Clinton—and how much they’ve allowed themselves to forget along the way.

This amnesia may seem harmless now, but it might come back to haunt Democrats in the general election.
The reconciliation of Obama’s following with the presumptive 2016 Democratic nominee has been the great underexamined story on the Democratic side of the ledger heading into an election year. One simply cannot overstate how much ill will there was between the two camps in 2007 and 2008—that historic, down-to-the-wire primary standoff was based not in policy contrasts (good luck recalling the differences in their health plans) but in a deeply personal clash about the meaning and methods of progressive politics. “Triangulating and poll-driven positions because we’re worried about what Mitt or Rudy might say about us just won’t do,” Obama said in his breakout speech in Des Moines in November 2007. “This party … has always made the biggest difference in the lives of the American people when we led, not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we summoned the entire nation to a common purpose—a higher purpose.”


Clinton fired back sarcastically three months later: “Now, I could stand up here and say, ‘Let’s just get everybody together. Let’s get unified. The skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing, and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect.’ ” The legions of young Obama foot soldiers in Iowa, South Carolina, and elsewhere were fired not just by airy notions of hope and change and making history but by the more negative motivation that the prospect of a Clinton nomination stirred in them.

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And yet here we are, eight years later, and it is almost as if that great showdown never happened. Some of those young Obama loyalists have now assumed leading positions in the vast Clinton apparatus, as have some of his most senior campaign staff. With no serious opposition looming in next year’s primaries, Clinton’s standing among Democratic voters is vastly stronger than it was at this point eight years ago (right around the time Obama announced his challenge), notes Nate Cohn in the New York Times. As was the case then, the papers are full of eyebrow-raising stories about overlap between her political backers and donors to the Clinton Foundation. Yet whereas in 2007 those stories were seized on by many liberals as confirmation of their wariness of Clinton, this time around there is little sign of the stories—or those about her continuing to rake in $300,000 speaking fees—causing any real agita on the left.


more..........

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/obama_s_supporters_may_have_forgotten_how_much_they_despised_hillary_clinton.2.html


Clinton speech to FMI-United Fresh meeting lacks vision
June 16, 2014


Clinton started off by saying she was "thrilled to talk to two groups that every day help families get access to healthy foods" and that she wanted to talk about "hard choices" in food and leadership in the country.

Clinton praised United Fresh for its program to provide salad bars in schools and noted that "there is a debate in Congress" about whether to stick with the healthier meals rules imposed on schools under the 2010 Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act. She did not specifically endorse sticking with the new rules, but said "the idea it is too expensive to provide healthy foods" is a "false choice."

She also noted that the Clinton Foundation cofounded the Alliance for a Healthier Generation with the American Heart Association. The alliance, she said, has convinced food and beverage companies to reduce calories in their products. The foundation, she said, has a partnership with McDonald's, "and we need more of those."


http://www.hagstromreport.com/2014news_files/2014_0616_clinton-speech-fmi-united-fresh-lack-vision.html


Hillary Clinton, tell us your vision

By Eugene Robinson


Her memoir of the years she spent as secretary of state, “Hard Choices,” offers little guidance. My view is that Clinton did an excellent job as America’s chief diplomat, but if she has an overarching philosophy of foreign relations, she left it out of the book. We know that President Obama believes in multilateralism and the sparing use of U.S. military force. We know that some critics believe we should be more interventionist and others believe we should be more isolationist. “Hard Choices” doesn’t really tell us which way Clinton leans, though her record suggests a slight nod toward the hawkish side.

In the book, Clinton rejects the idea of choosing between the “hard power” of military might and the “soft power” of diplomacy, sanctions and foreign aid. Instead, she advocates “smart power,” which seems to mean “all of the above.” When I hear officials talking about “smart” this or “smart” that, I hear a buzzword that is often meant to obscure policy choices rather than illuminate them.

Clinton’s message on domestic affairs is also unclear. At the Iowa event, she sounded what is sure to be a major theme for both Democrats and Republicans in the coming campaign: the need to ease the plight of the beleaguered middle class.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-hillary-clinton-needs-to-tell-americans-her-vision/2014/09/15/b1f39ee4-3d09-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html



HILLARY'S VISION



A couple of months ago, Robert Kagan wrote a manifesto that attacked Obama’s foreign policy as weak and cowardly. He hailed the triumphal return of neo-conservatism and interventionism, arguing that superior force must be central to US policy.

A follow-up interview with Kagan appeared in the New York Times:

“But Exhibit A for what Robert Kagan describes as his “mainstream” view of American force is his relationship with former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, who remains the vessel into which many interventionists are pouring their hopes. Mr. Kagan pointed out that he had recently attended a dinner of foreign-policy experts at which Mrs. Clinton was the guest of honor, and that he had served on her bipartisan group of foreign-policy heavy hitters at the State Department, where his wife worked as her spokeswoman.

“I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Mr. Kagan said, adding that the next step after Mr. Obama’s more realist approach “could theoretically be whatever Hillary brings to the table” if elected president. “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue,” he added, “it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”

Now, in an interview with the Atlantic, Hillary shows boldly that Kagan’s confidence in her is not misplaced. It is a full-throated call for reliance on US power to subdue or tame all adversaries, and her list includes not only the jihadists of ISIS, but Iran, Russia, and China. She joins the chorus blaming Obama for a too cautious approach to military intervention. On Israel, she gives not an inch to worldwide condemnation of the occupation and the massacre in Gaza: “Israel did what it had to do.”

What’s most striking is the lack of vision beyond American superiority and the need to try to convince or compel the rest of the world to fall in line. Nowhere in the long interview does she mention climate change, poverty and inequality, or any of the existential problems that require international cooperation if there is to be any hope.


http://leonsoped.blogspot.dk/2014/08/hillarys-vision.html



Hillary's Evasive Views on the NSA


On Tuesday, the technology journalist Kara Swisher raised the subject of surveillance while questioning the former Secretary of State. "Would you throttle back the NSA in the ways that President Obama has promised but that haven't come to pass?" she asked. Clinton's successfully evasive answer unfolded as follows:

Clinton: Well, I think the NSA needs to be more transparent about what it is doing, sharing with the American people, which it wasn't. And I think a lot of the reaction about the NSA, people felt betrayed. They felt, wait, you didn't tell us you were doing this. And all of a sudden now, we're reading about it on the front page...

So when you say, "Would you throttle it back?" Well, the NSA has to act lawfully. And we as a country have to decide what the rules are. And then we have to make it absolutely clear that we're going to hold them accountable. What we had because of post-9/11 legislation was a lot more flexibility than I think people really understood, and was not explained to them. I voted against the FISA Amendments in 2008 because I didn't think they went far enough to kind of hold us accountable in the Congress for what was going on.

Swisher: By flexibility you mean too much spying power, really.

Clinton: Well yeah but how much is too much? And how much is not enough? That's the hard part. I think if Americans felt like, number one, you're not going after my personal information, the content of my personal information. But I do want you to get the bad guys, because I don't want them to use social media, to use communications devices invented right here to plot against us. So let's draw the line. And I think it's hard if everybody's in their corner. So I resist saying it has to be this or that. I want us to come to a better balance.
This will not do. The answer elides the fact that Clinton has not been a passive actor in surveillance policy. "What the rules are" is something that she was responsible for helping to decide. She served in the United States Senate from 2001 to 2009. She cast votes that enabled the very NSA spying that many now regard as a betrayal. And she knew all about what the NSA wasn't telling the public. To say now that the NSA should've been more transparent raises this question: Why wasn't Clinton among the Democrats working for more transparency?

Clinton may resist "saying" that surveillance policy "has to be this or that," but it must be something specific. "Let's draw the line" and "I want us to come to a better balance" are shameless weasel phrases when you're vying to call the shots. What is being balanced in her view? What should the NSA have revealed earlier? How much transparency should it provide going forward? What does the law require of the NSA? Since 9/11, when has the NSA transgressed against the law as Clinton sees it? Those questions hint at the many ways that her position is evasive. So long as no one else contests her party's nomination, she can get away with it.


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/hillary-clintons-evasive-position-on-nsa-spying/386024/


Hillary Praises Fracking, Stays Silent on Keystone -



At a speech to an environmental advocacy group, Clinton came out in favor of fracking—and ignored the controversial pipeline project.
At a speech to the League of Conservation Voters in midtown Manhattan Monday night, before hundreds of deep-pocketed donors, Hillary Clinton praised the environmental legacy of Teddy Roosevelt, touted the prospect of new green technologies, and had warm words for Barack Obama’s aggressive efforts to combat climate change.

Absent from the former Secretary of State’s speech? Any sense of where she stood on the controversial Keystone pipeline project, or what she would do differently as president to steer the nation towards a more sustainable future.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/01/hillary-praises-fracking-stays-silent-on-keystone.html


Not in her office equal pay for men and women


During her time in the U.S. Senate, Clinton paid women in her office 72 cents for each dollar paid to men, according to a report by Washington Free Beacon.

Analyzing data obtained from official Senate expenditure reports, Free Beacon concluded that the median annual salary for female staffers was $15,708.38 less than the median salary for men, between 2002 to 2008.

That’s about a 28 percent gender wage gap:

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/02/257200-hillary-clinton-paid-female-staff-28-percent-less-men/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=organic&utm_content=ijreview&utm_campaign=Politics

But, but, but.. Phlem Feb 2015 #1
Bushes And Clintons Working Together In My Opinion billhicks76 Feb 2015 #154
I refuse to stay home and not vote no matter what due to SC. bjobotts Feb 2015 #224
Someone won the primary already? merrily Feb 2015 #234
lol. Hopefully Not billhicks76 Feb 2015 #294
It's Beyond Voting Now billhicks76 Feb 2015 #293
except for the racism, obama 2.0, no big deal msongs Feb 2015 #2
Great post! Because I really expected President Obama to resolve all those issues! PBass Feb 2015 #142
Obama did address all those issues but. .. George II Feb 2015 #173
For his first two years, Democrats had large majorities in both houses, greater than any Democrat is merrily Feb 2015 #238
"Y'all"? just because I don't jump on the bash - Obama (and Clinton) bandwagon.... George II Feb 2015 #286
DU's right does not mean the same as right wing. merrily Mar 2015 #297
A few points............ George II Mar 2015 #307
Black hat/white hat mindsets are for conservatives. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #3
there is a threshold where the consequences are so significant, the moral equity of one side whereisjustice Feb 2015 #5
I hear complaints asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #88
Hmmmm obxhead Feb 2015 #93
Hmmmmm asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #95
So, you're contention is that ONLY Hillary can win. obxhead Feb 2015 #97
Sure there is - go for it - asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #98
I just hope they wear nametags RedstDem Feb 2015 #106
+1 L0oniX Feb 2015 #161
sad but true heaven05 Feb 2015 #115
a true dem will keep a conservative out of the white house at all costs PatrynXX Feb 2015 #132
So you will vote against HRC? obxhead Feb 2015 #144
Loyalty oaths are for J.Edgar Hoovr and Joe McCarthy. They are not for this Group. merrily Feb 2015 #264
+1 Cosmic Kitten Feb 2015 #179
Thank you obxhead Feb 2015 #143
"She is a Republican through and through" +1 Veilex Feb 2015 #176
Wow, looks like you found that path! pocoloco Feb 2015 #158
They so need a new argument, that is the one they used in 2008. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2015 #128
I look forward to a robust primary season. Who's up? Hekate Feb 2015 #196
....x10 840high Feb 2015 #231
Senator Webb is going to run it sounds like CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #239
Webb will challenge Hillary from the left? Seriously? merrily Feb 2015 #243
I have no idea CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #245
Sure you do. merrily Feb 2015 #247
huh? CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #267
From what I see, I find it far fetched, at best, that Webb will challenge Hillary from the left. merrily Feb 2015 #269
I don't know what his plan is CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #291
Try posting in another group. merrily Feb 2015 #242
Demand Publicly Funded Elections, end campaign contributions, a Super PACs, and the Dustlawyer Feb 2015 #258
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #118
"No one wants to hear your shit." Veilex Feb 2015 #178
Views are not Recs. Lotta people looking in and not commenting. Hekate Feb 2015 #197
And they wouldn't bother to look if they weren't in some way interested... Veilex Feb 2015 #201
Train wrecks are always interesting, in their way. Hekate Feb 2015 #203
Perhaps... but thats a false equivelency you dabling with Veilex Feb 2015 #210
Always more views than replies and more replies than recs. But the thread has a lot of recs, too. merrily Feb 2015 #244
It was on the front page and I thought it was from GD. Hekate Feb 2015 #253
Cool. merrily Feb 2015 #254
168 rec's. I just did. 840high Feb 2015 #232
Exactly my point! Veilex Feb 2015 #261
OK, we get it... TreasonousBastard Feb 2015 #4
Every DNC dime is being spent on her at the exclusion of building a responsive leadership whereisjustice Feb 2015 #6
I have heard complaints before asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #91
As you obviously support Hillary perhaps you could give those of us that would rather A Simple Game Feb 2015 #130
He doesn't have to give you anything, and go ahead and puke your guts out politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2015 #185
What's at stake is America's 840high Feb 2015 #233
Lick my wombs? I don't even want to know where your mind is. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #283
Here you go. One analysis of what her positions may be. Fla Dem Mar 2015 #318
Here here!!!! ... TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #102
What money has the DNC spent on HRC? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #109
Rather difficult to find DFW Feb 2015 #134
I didn't think so ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #140
I'm betting you've already heard the Franken quote DFW Feb 2015 #141
Ahhh, yeah! ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #148
Indeed... thats why media groups and HRC fans keep spouting their inevitability garbage. Veilex Feb 2015 #184
Goes back to Lenin DFW Feb 2015 #276
That quote came from Daniel Patrick Monahan George II Feb 2015 #288
That doesn't surprise me DFW Feb 2015 #289
Maybe save that kind of question for GD? merrily Feb 2015 #251
Sorry, Didn't notice I posted to the PRD. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #281
Do you have legitimate sources for that accusation? Or just slander? Hekate Feb 2015 #198
That's not the point zentrum Feb 2015 #28
Many will stay home? leftofcool Feb 2015 #64
What does that have to do with the post? sulphurdunn Feb 2015 #92
The Democratic BASE will not stay home ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #110
Who cares about being "the base"? Nobody negotiates with or caters to automatic votes, there is no TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #309
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #310
Nope, I participate there as well. I'm gonna eat my cake and shit it out too. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #312
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #313
This message was self-deleted by its author Dwight42 Feb 2015 #36
No you don't get it Dwight42 Feb 2015 #37
You can then say hello to President Jebbie. leftofcool Feb 2015 #65
Well Hello Jebbie Hello Dwight42 Feb 2015 #85
I must agree hifiguy Feb 2015 #129
Democrat party? awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #135
Oops, Dwight42 Feb 2015 #138
It's a dogwhistle Hekate Feb 2015 #199
Tell that to the New Democrat Coalition and the New Democrat Caucus. merrily Feb 2015 #265
they can call them what they want awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #272
That's what I always call it, and I would never have named the New Democrat Coalition the way New merrily Feb 2015 #274
At one time I believed myself to be a republican awoke_in_2003 Feb 2015 #275
The way it was explained to me, it was an ad that Rove ran for Dimson. merrily Mar 2015 #298
yeah, that is why I edited my post awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #301
Awww. That was kind of you. merrily Mar 2015 #303
Agree. bvar22 Feb 2015 #152
Are you sure that Hillary would lose your state by 20 points? Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #221
I am seeing a pattern here asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #94
Why don't you post that in GD or the Hillary Group or any one of the other groups where your posts merrily Feb 2015 #255
Oh, yes Clinton was a complete failure who left the country with an excess that Bush gave his buds. olegramps Feb 2015 #108
I think you are missing the point Dwight42 Feb 2015 #121
Yes, he was just a terrible president in whose presidency Americans suffered not. olegramps Feb 2015 #285
NAFTA and repeal of Glass Steagall dwarfed the importance of that modest surplus, which, btw, merrily Feb 2015 #256
Democrats opposed repeal of Glass Steagall until: olegramps Feb 2015 #287
Clinton and Greenspan BOTH actively lobbied for repeal so "veto proof" is a shibboleth . merrily Mar 2015 #296
I never said that he didn't support it; but it had the support of many Democrats in the Senate. olegramps Mar 2015 #299
What a Democratic President and his advisors push on Congress does impact Democratic Senators. merrily Mar 2015 #300
No one told the banks they had to make bad loans. They told them they couldn't use race or rhett o rick Mar 2015 #314
I didn't say he signed it because it was veto proof. It was veto proof was only a fact. olegramps Mar 2015 #316
Thank you. 840high Feb 2015 #235
You don't get it. The last time the DLC put up a candidate against a Bush was 2000 rhett o rick Feb 2015 #47
Of course they want to try it again Mnpaul Feb 2015 #200
What I think is that their owners don't care if HRC loses to Jeb. They would be happy with either. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #204
And they won, but had it stolen. cheapdate Feb 2015 #216
Why take the chance again? Nominate an honest progressive and break the chain of rhett o rick Feb 2015 #217
It's a chance no matter what. cheapdate Feb 2015 #229
We may want the same thing, but I refuse to play the Oligarchs game of rhett o rick Feb 2015 #270
It's my judgement that a messy win is better than principled losing. cheapdate Feb 2015 #271
Barely won. Gore didn't even carry his home state. merrily Feb 2015 #262
Please tell me you're not suggesting a progressive Democrat would win cheapdate Feb 2015 #266
She is better than a Republican shtick doesn't work when her POLICIES are the SAME as the GOP Vincardog Feb 2015 #111
Perhaps you would be happier posting in a different group? merrily Feb 2015 #246
And the Mic is dropped... LovingA2andMI Feb 2015 #7
Hillary Clinton. Where does she stand on the issues of our time? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #8
Hillary is all about promoting Hillary Mnpaul Feb 2015 #14
That sums it up nicely. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #39
So we can add mindreading to your list of talents? uberblonde Feb 2015 #153
You don't have to be a mind reader Mnpaul Feb 2015 #191
YOU MEAN HILLARY HAS THE EGO OF A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE??? aquart Feb 2015 #227
'aye 840high Feb 2015 #236
HILLARY'S VISION Ichingcarpenter Feb 2015 #54
Look people, we just need more war! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #73
Cackle cackle cackle. L0oniX Feb 2015 #159
The cackle is especially disturbing. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #280
Where there is no vision, the People perish pscot Feb 2015 #79
Kudos for a very thorough, substantive post! Martin Eden Feb 2015 #104
Excellent post MissDeeds Feb 2015 #127
Well, at least you're open about it bhikkhu Feb 2015 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Feb 2015 #10
lol - nice try. Go cry wolf somewhere else. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Feb 2015 #19
'go cry wolf' look at your own posts pasto76 Feb 2015 #20
Perhaps you should post things like that in GD, or the Hillary Group or some other group? merrily Feb 2015 #248
Thank you. I cringe when I read these kind of posts sunnystarr Feb 2015 #16
Women in general, or a specific group of women? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #27
I've been through 3 presidential elections and crap posts like the OP... LynneSin Feb 2015 #30
Discussion if issues takes a back seat to mocking her personality and voice. Her cankles are next. Hekate Feb 2015 #279
http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/9378/10425744_2.jpg?v=8CDBD2ABE243CF0 blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #11
She cannot win. SoapBox Feb 2015 #12
Agree. She will not win, instead her faux folksy banter will fall as flat as Romney's did whereisjustice Feb 2015 #15
wow you sound exactly like everyone who predicted an Obama loss pasto76 Feb 2015 #22
That's what "she" said about Obama... Ino Feb 2015 #24
You have it backwards. She ran and lost against Obama. People didn't vote for her rhett o rick Feb 2015 #48
Gee, that's not really true. uberblonde Feb 2015 #156
"Clinton came very close to winning." And Al Gore came "very close to winning" in 2000. But they rhett o rick Feb 2015 #171
What part of... uberblonde Feb 2015 #183
Gee, that's not really true. RiverLover Feb 2015 #192
It's not necessary to get rude. I understand that HRC lost the primary to rhett o rick Feb 2015 #194
She didn't win the popular primary vote. nt RiverLover Feb 2015 #205
I am not sure of the significance. She didn't win the primary. She lost. Again, why choose her with rhett o rick Feb 2015 #207
Totally agree RiverLover Feb 2015 #222
Sanctioned for violating her agreement with the DNC? Oh, no, how very unfair! merrily Feb 2015 #268
Really? She beats all the GOP candidates by double digits. leftofcool Feb 2015 #66
As did the other DLC candidate Al Gore. Ooops, my mistake. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #195
That was no mistake CountAllVotes Feb 2015 #241
She's not all that different from all DLC candidates. PedXing Feb 2015 #17
What she lacks is charism. They used to call it "it" in the old Hollywood. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #32
Hafta disagee w/ u there JD. Wit the right coachin from advisors, Hillary can remake herself, appear mor folksy & feel ur pain. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #41
That's exactly the right word. Thanks! PedXing Feb 2015 #49
How many elections has Hillary won in the past? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #51
I hope that all of your 47,000 posts are not as utterly foolish as the ones in this thread. PBass Feb 2015 #147
I can see you are emotionally involved with Hillary's candidacy. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #149
She beat him in the primary popular vote. uberblonde Feb 2015 #167
You nailed it JD. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #263
Gore "lost" Florida by 500 votes lobodons Feb 2015 #18
you should give a shit about who gets the nomination, blindly saying you don't care whereisjustice Feb 2015 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Feb 2015 #61
I don't know if anyone else seen this... ReRe Feb 2015 #21
lol - $300,000 a pop buys a lot of gratuitous swagger. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #26
I wouldn't pay $3 to see it... ReRe Feb 2015 #29
Probably coached to do that so that she appears to be more relaxed JDPriestly Feb 2015 #33
Yeah... ReRe Feb 2015 #38
The hand wavin is what gets me. Hillary definitely needs to work on her speakimg skills -terrible delivery - not to mention her position on impt issues. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #42
I wish she would go ahead... ReRe Feb 2015 #57
She does get passionate when talking about womens and girls rights leftofcool Feb 2015 #67
Funny... ReRe Feb 2015 #71
I notice she wasn't too worried about the women and girls of Iraq when she voted for the IWR. Maedhros Feb 2015 #172
OMG, you have so completely nailed it. hedda_foil Feb 2015 #25
I guess she's too busy trying to keep her hands clean. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #31
She was investigated down to her underwear drawer. They found bupkis. aquart Feb 2015 #226
It says... ReRe Feb 2015 #35
"more vomit inducing?" Sarcastica Feb 2015 #34
Get a Barf Bag, it's going to get worse. Dwight42 Feb 2015 #43
I am in a group and will delete my posts, sorry. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #40
Of course you deserve respect. What does that hafta do with bein a woman? InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #45
At least he PM-ed you. Some group hosts don't have that much class. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #46
Well said. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #52
Really? sheshe2 Feb 2015 #56
Not BOG, and yes, really. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #59
Really! I think private mail is more discrete. When I accidentally posted in the BOG rhett o rick Feb 2015 #77
I was banned from the Hilary group pscot Feb 2015 #83
I thought that you were bowing out? BeanMusical Feb 2015 #257
True, but I still respect their requests to delete posts when I post in a group by mistake. merrily Feb 2015 #240
I respect requests to to delete posts too, if and when I get one. ColesCountyDem Feb 2015 #273
What does being a woman have to do with being treated with respect? MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #190
At the risk of getting a nasty response... KauaiK Feb 2015 #44
I remember Anderson well, I think you are confusing Nixon and Reagan and neither whereisjustice Feb 2015 #295
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #50
IMO almost everything aspirant Feb 2015 #290
Then stay home and don't vote. I don't think your one vote will matter anyway. demosincebirth Feb 2015 #53
The ONLY good thing about her being president would be how she would tear the GOP a new one. cui bono Feb 2015 #55
History suggests otherwise CanadaexPat Mar 2015 #305
because Scott Walker is so much better MFM008 Feb 2015 #58
Is Scott Walker a Democrat?? darkangel218 Feb 2015 #60
Scott Walker isn't our only other choice. In fact, choosing H.Clinton rhett o rick Feb 2015 #80
Kicked and recommended for hard truths that are very difficult for some of our members to accept. Scuba Feb 2015 #62
So, choose a different candidate to support leftofcool Feb 2015 #68
That's an excellent defense of Hillary! Scuba Feb 2015 #70
So, you don't have a candidate that can win? leftofcool Feb 2015 #76
Yeah, I think we can win. But if Hillary is our candidate, we lose whether she wins or not. Scuba Feb 2015 #81
Nailed it. "we lose whether she wins or not" L0oniX Feb 2015 #162
The fact that H. Clinton can raise a lot of money shouldn't be the defining issue. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #78
The logic behind Hillary support is defeatism. Maedhros Feb 2015 #175
I agree with your sentiment, but I can think of even stronger political ipecac: Rahm Emanuel corkhead Feb 2015 #63
And I care what you think because? leftofcool Feb 2015 #69
Well, your disdain is irrelevant. Maedhros Feb 2015 #177
+ a whole shitload tularetom Feb 2015 #72
We know she likes the color purple. RiverLover Feb 2015 #228
She also has cooties! (nt) Skinner Feb 2015 #74
Yes, infection spread by the 1% of the population who believe they are immune by birth right whereisjustice Feb 2015 #82
Not anymore. She deleted her private cooties. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #321
Well then rock Feb 2015 #75
Smugness? Really? The Democrats that ran a DLC candidate were also smug in 2000. rhett o rick Feb 2015 #107
Gotcha rock Feb 2015 #113
Hey I get it. It is what it is. H. Clinton has the big money behind her and it will be rhett o rick Feb 2015 #116
. Agschmid Feb 2015 #84
Stunning Hekate Feb 2015 #206
Hello? Hepburn Feb 2015 #86
Okay - get mad - mad as hell asiliveandbreathe Feb 2015 #87
. stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #89
this will probably get a lot of blue links obxhead Feb 2015 #90
and she is a girl.... stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #96
K&R BrainDrain Feb 2015 #99
Oh, I can imagine many more vomit inducing candidates Warpy Feb 2015 #100
So go out and defeat her BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #101
Just watching her 'affect' during Faux pas Feb 2015 #103
Please propose someone to vote for who will run upaloopa Feb 2015 #105
I agree rtracey Feb 2015 #112
If money choses the candidate, then Hillary wins Dwight42 Feb 2015 #125
Great--more "tax and spend" bullshit. You don't seem to realize that-- eridani Feb 2015 #278
idiotic rtracey Feb 2015 #282
It is the job of government to fund public goods by levying taxes, period eridani Feb 2015 #292
no one rtracey Mar 2015 #306
That our tax system is highly regressive is something we need to fix. eridani Mar 2015 #308
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #122
Yep and let's not vote because the party upaloopa Feb 2015 #123
I'm "literally" fucking myself? jmondine Feb 2015 #114
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. JackHughes Feb 2015 #117
Yeah, she might win - but then what? Maedhros Feb 2015 #181
Some say the Democratic Party has deserted the workers, they have it backwards. olegramps Feb 2015 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Feb 2015 #124
Great post. RiverLover Feb 2015 #230
After what you've seen with the repubs for the last 30+ years? DownriverDem Feb 2015 #126
How long have you worked for her campaign? [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #182
DLC types are DYING to claim "The adults are back in charge" and kick out Obama's whole team. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #131
"Because there's not a dime's worth of difference between Al Gore and George Bush" greenman3610 Feb 2015 #133
It took all of about ten seconds after SCOTUS threw the election to Bush DFW Feb 2015 #136
Um... "we are literally fucking ourselves" if we sulk and stay home because she's the nominee. calimary Feb 2015 #137
Great thread! I've really learned a lot from DU. PBass Feb 2015 #139
Literally? Iggo Feb 2015 #145
Kudos for your courage swilton Feb 2015 #146
so you decided to puke all over du hopemountain Feb 2015 #150
More Hillary hate...Karl Rove is literally rolling on the floor with laughter randys1 Feb 2015 #151
Ops like this tend to piss off assholes. L0oniX Feb 2015 #155
Glenn Greenwald nutshelled why I personally don't like Hillary 90-percent Feb 2015 #157
“The ultimate guardian of bipartisan status quo corruption” Veilex Feb 2015 #187
Zell Miller and/or George Wallace rpannier Feb 2015 #160
K&R She makes me want to puke!! rury Feb 2015 #163
I can't think of a more vomit-inducing load of crud than this post. RBInMaine Feb 2015 #164
Here, here! BeatleBoot Feb 2015 #165
hear, hear? AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #174
Wrong turn on the internet? AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #168
The Devil in a dress, or jumpsuit. tomsaiditagain Feb 2015 #166
I think we're in serious trouble. So it comes down to Hillary vs Bush (III) ? Time to pack the bags. YOHABLO Feb 2015 #169
You must vomit everytime you see or hear president Obama, too. cheapdate Feb 2015 #170
Don't trust medical advice from the Internet... Agschmid Feb 2015 #208
For a moment, I thought CPAC was live blogging at DU. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #180
You were right the first time. Hekate Feb 2015 #202
LOL Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #211
I guess liberals are at it again!!! uwep Feb 2015 #186
I see no evidence of the OP being liberal. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #212
Riiiight, not Liberal at all... RiverLover Feb 2015 #213
I do not try to fool anyone. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #214
Damn Right! k+1000! n/t Buenaventura Feb 2015 #188
You're entitled to your opinion. We all are. I just wish babylonsister Feb 2015 #189
Posts like yours are more appropriate for GD, the Hillary Group or some group other than this one. merrily Feb 2015 #249
I look forward to seeing this OP quoted verbatim far and wide as how "Democrats" think... Hekate Feb 2015 #193
Trolling with "rage bait" like this is the fastest way to get voted onto the "Greatest" page PBass Feb 2015 #209
Neither can the Koch Bros, the GOP, and Neo-Confederates. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #215
People who DARE criticize Hillary... nikto Feb 2015 #218
Needed to be said to offset the Pravda like worship of a corp McCandidate, appointed heir apparent whereisjustice Feb 2015 #223
Hillary is basically into Reaganomics nikto Feb 2015 #219
well, there's Rahm Doctor_J Feb 2015 #220
Cold enough to know the names of all her employees aquart Feb 2015 #225
Whoa MissDeeds Feb 2015 #237
Also, accusing everyone who criticizes Hillary of sexism is bs. merrily Mar 2015 #304
As usual, DU's right has little to no respect for the fact that is a group, not GD. merrily Feb 2015 #250
After some hours away... ReRe Feb 2015 #252
Well said MissDeeds Feb 2015 #260
+1 KoKo Mar 2015 #302
Tell us how you really feel, haha. While I wudn't use such strong language, like u, I'm definitely concerned bout Hillary as a candidate, but not just on the issues... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #259
Apparently... nikto Feb 2015 #277
Plus, it still doesn't guarantee a damn thing except we get hosed either way. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #311
Hey Progressive Peeps! YES Reality is finally showing in some polls~ RiverLover Feb 2015 #284
She is the choice of the 1%. They owe her. She didn't make it in 2008 and imo, she won't make it sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #315
It appears that the 2016 election is going jeepers Mar 2015 #317
This thread is the very example of what you claimed didn't exist BainsBane Mar 2015 #319
Civil rights? BainsBane Mar 2015 #320
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