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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
41. It isn't intraparty friction. It is the process of picking a candidate.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:44 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie is relying on volunteers to do some of the work on his campaign that Hillary is hiring people and buying ads to do.

That means that we Bernie supporters are responsible for getting Bernie's message out as volunteers. And that is what I am doing. Getting Bernie's message out. Organizing. Speaking (writing actually) my mind.

The Hillary faction wants to stop Bernie and the way they are doing that is by trying to silence Bernie supporters.

Rather than telling Bernie supporters to shut up, Hillary supporters should explain why they want to vote for a candidate who changes her mind so often and so easily on issues on which Bernie has always been on the morally and socially correct side.

The "flip-flop card" is important to me because one of my doubts about Hillary is her ability to make good decisions on the issues. I think that she has poor judgment, that she is not morally grounded on social issues. That moral grounding that Bernie has is really important to me. He just takes the high road when it comes to things like human rights, making sure everyone is safe and OK, when it comes to loving others and having compassion. He just has the values that I was raised with. His economic stances come from those values. That's why he is concerned about the silent, hidden unemployment, about the college debt our children are facing, about fair immigration laws that don't throw good people out of our country, about fair treatment of minorities, especially in our justice and police system, about the TPP courts, about all the issues that I care about.

I will explain to you where I come from. My father was a Methodist minister and a social worker. I care about justice. That is why I am a Democrat. Justice means fairness and respect for all not only with regard to jobs and economics (especially with regard to discouraging fraud and the taking advantage of people by the very rich), race, poverty (I worked raising money for a large homeless project for years), equality (gender, age, race) and other social issues. I'm with Bernie on these issues. He is much stronger say on the idea of single payer insurance than Hillary is. He is stronger on protecting Social Security than Hillary is. I care about the poor. I was actually raised to be a Christian. I don't know where the so-called religious right comes from, but they certainly have not read the same Bible I was raised on.

So that is why Hillary's flip-flopping is important to me. How can anyone favor the death penalty? It makes no sense to me. How could she have? It looks like political expediency on her part to me. Supporting the death penalty got you votes in 2000. Not such a big issue now, so maybe she will have her pollsters check the national pulse and change her mind. I have no idea, but I do know that Bernie stands solidly on issues even gun laws where I and most Americans do. And that is why I think he stands a very good chance of being our next president.

Bernie has not had to change his mind on every other issue because he made his mind up in the first place based on certain moral principles and not on the polls or what he thought people wanted to hear. And that is Bernie's greatest strength. In this time of social upheaval, this time of great change, Bernie has steadfast moral principles that are very, very American. He speaks for the country in that moral sense. That's why people are so excited about hearing him speak. He speaks for the best that is in our nation.

The stark differences [View all] SHRED Aug 2015 OP
I've posted this a few times lately. It should probably be pinned Doctor_J Aug 2015 #1
more stark differences - the H-1b visa/tech outsourcing issue HFRN Aug 2015 #2
This is extremely important a2liberal Aug 2015 #18
' I'm actually of the ethnicity that a lot of the H1Bs ' HFRN Aug 2015 #33
Yup! (nt) a2liberal Aug 2015 #53
I second that. Bill Clinton 'reauthorized the H1-B Visa bill in his last term. n/t whathehell Aug 2015 #52
H1B workers are being used to drive down the wages of american IT workers peacebird Aug 2015 #57
Number one issue for me abelenkpe Aug 2015 #59
Wow DonaldChump Aug 2015 #3
Try to spin that. Fuddnik Aug 2015 #4
You want stark differences? longship Aug 2015 #5
It isn't infighting. We have to decide which candidate will represent us in the general election. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #7
How does tearing down one candidate raise another? longship Aug 2015 #9
Pointing out where the candidates stand on the issues and stating that you prefer one or the JDPriestly Aug 2015 #10
But this kind of stuff makes DU suck. longship Aug 2015 #13
Uhm kenfrequed Aug 2015 #16
For one thing, I am not sure this chart is even true. longship Aug 2015 #20
Well there is this article that includes a few citations... kenfrequed Aug 2015 #23
The question is... longship Aug 2015 #28
I don't pretend anything. kenfrequed Aug 2015 #42
"I am not accusing you of this" longship Aug 2015 #43
Take what you will of it kenfrequed Aug 2015 #50
Here you go:: 2000 Senate race. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #25
Pshaw! 15 years ago! I doubt that she would say the same today. longship Aug 2015 #31
You must have missed some of the past Republican campaigns where they accused Democrats JDPriestly Aug 2015 #35
Please, not the flip flop card. longship Aug 2015 #38
It isn't intraparty friction. It is the process of picking a candidate. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #41
I have no bone to pick with you, JD. longship Aug 2015 #47
It seems difficult, because we Bernie supporters are trying to right the "long ship," the wide ship JDPriestly Aug 2015 #51
I hate third way. longship Aug 2015 #55
There is absolutely nothing on this chart that the Rs do not already know. jwirr Aug 2015 #37
Nobody has to post on DU. We are here to discuss issues. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #21
No, you are being very thoughtful. longship Aug 2015 #36
Exactly what criteria do you use to decide what candidate you are going jwirr Aug 2015 #32
Well, many things. longship Aug 2015 #39
This happened in 2008 also. The difference I see between the infighting jwirr Aug 2015 #45
Thanks, jwirr. longship Aug 2015 #49
Uh, why is posting a list of a candidates positions "tearing down"? Dawgs Aug 2015 #12
Exactly! SHRED Aug 2015 #14
Well, just look at the chart. longship Aug 2015 #17
which item in the list is NOT true? ish of the hammer Aug 2015 #29
Here's what you can do. If your not sure it is all true, research it and start an OP debunking it. Autumn Aug 2015 #44
If you don't like what's posted in this group feel free NOT to participate in this group. smokey nj Aug 2015 #58
Well, don't listen to me. Listen to Bernie. longship Aug 2015 #60
Bernie points out that he and Hillary hold different opinions on a number of issues. The chart smokey nj Aug 2015 #61
I am not harassing. longship Aug 2015 #62
Perhaps Rilgin Aug 2015 #65
My sentiments exactly. When disagreement or comparing becomes "infighting" libdem4life Aug 2015 #70
It's not "tearing down", it's stating facts... tex-wyo-dem Aug 2015 #15
Making shit up, don't you mean? longship Aug 2015 #22
Pew references it in 2008 kenfrequed Aug 2015 #24
Here you go smokey nj Aug 2015 #63
Again, in 2000, when she was First Lady. longship Aug 2015 #64
She supported the death penalty as late as 2008 and she hasn't come out in opposition to the death smokey nj Aug 2015 #66
Same as Obama, then. nt longship Aug 2015 #67
Pointing out policy differences between two candidates in a primary is not tearing down anyone. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #19
However, Posting what can only be compared to a Christian Coalition voter guide can. nt longship Aug 2015 #40
precisely! wendylaroux Aug 2015 #54
And who is responsible for that? zeemike Aug 2015 #30
This is the primary. And IMO either candidate will look better beside the jwirr Aug 2015 #34
I don't think she supports Keystone. JayhawkSD Aug 2015 #6
She was in the State Department when the Keystone was being negotiated. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #8
All of that may be true, JayhawkSD Aug 2015 #11
If she were against the XL Pipeline, she would not hesitate to say so. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #27
She might be taking their money, JayhawkSD Aug 2015 #46
I don't hate Hillary. But I do think she is for the pipeline. We shall see. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #69
refusing to state a position on it is different from not supporting it. nashville_brook Aug 2015 #68
Very good post. Please post it regularly. nt ladjf Aug 2015 #26
You beat me to it. SoapBox Aug 2015 #48
Good grief, I didn't know she supported border fence legislation. Zorra Aug 2015 #56
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