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rgbecker

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Tue May 7, 2019, 12:49 AM May 2019

Earlier today a DU regular started a thread about Bernie Sanders and "Open Borders". [View all]

The poster included a link to an article on the Pacific Standard website written by Jack Herrera with the headline reading:
"Bernie says immigration threatens the Social Safety Net. Research shows Otherwise." Here is a link to the Thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=108398

The article stated "On the same day Trump tweeted, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders explained in an Iowa town hall why he's against open borders: Too many poor people would come to the United States, Sanders explained, and the country could not afford to pay for policies like universal health care or free college."

This without attribution, link or any basis.

The article then told us what Bernie actually said enclosed in quotation marks. "If you open the borders, my God, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world," Sanders said. "And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it."

The article goes on to use numbers from a research paper done about immigration that shows the benefits of immigration on Government finances. The implication was that Bernie was inconsistent in opposing "Open Borders" because it would threaten his proposed Social Safety Net programs. But as anyone can see, Sanders never made such a claim. In fact, on previous occasions, Sanders has expressed the concern that too many immigrants would drive wages of the working class down. (See below). Interestingly enough, the very same research paper quoted in the Pacific Standard article concludes that exact point. Here is the Research paper and you can read about the impact on wages at this link:

https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/8#172

Subsequent posters then joined on to rag about using the term "Open Borders", Repeating Trump talking points, and all sorts of other attacks on Senator Sanders.


I have since finally located the tape of the Iowa Town hall where Sanders took the question about "Open Borders" and you can see his response. Here is the link: See the questioner and Sanders response comment at 1:03:00





Here is a link from a 2016 Time Magazine website article that goes into quite a bit of detail about Sanders and immigration. The last few paragraph offers a good summary:

"He eventually voted for the 2013 comprehensive immigration reform bill, but not without qualms over the guest worker program—using the kind of rhetoric those on the right might approve of.

“It does not make a lot of sense to me to bring hundreds of thousands of those workers into this country to work for minimum wage and compete with Americans kids,” Sanders said in 2013.

But in his current campaign for president, Sanders has been unequivocally in favor of a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, and he has spoken passionately on protecting families from deportation. Many immigration activists note that Sanders’ plan is more detailed than Hillary Clinton’s.

“It is time to bring our neighbors out of the shadows. It is time to give them legal status,” Sanders said last year in Nevada, in what has become a common refrain for the Vermont senator on the campaign trail. “We are a nation of immigrants… Hard working families coming to the United States to create a brighter future for their children.”

http://time.com/4170591/bernie-sanders-immigration-conservatives/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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It not worth the effort. CentralMass May 2019 #1
An honest respectful discussion will be forthcoming, I'm sure. Hassin Bin Sober May 2019 #2
Gonna be fun! rgbecker May 2019 #3
The elusive unicorn. Autumn May 2019 #26
So, was it as 'fun' as you hoped ehrnst May 2019 #55
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #72
.... ehrnst May 2019 #81
Really - you sent PMs to FOUR people last night? ehrnst May 2019 #69
Pretty well. Thanks to your steady stream of posts the thread stayed up for almost 14 hours. rgbecker May 2019 #73
Yer welcome! But I don't recommend sending people PMs to drive up your posts ehrnst May 2019 #80
Red Herring MySideOfTown May 2019 #4
and it is sad that a presidential candidate MySideOfTown May 2019 #5
You might enjoy Wikipedia's take on the issue of "Open Borders." rgbecker May 2019 #6
You may enjoy the current POTUS and thus the GOP's take on the issue of "Open Borders" ehrnst May 2019 #11
Is Bernie wrong to say he's not for open borders? Which Democrats are for open borders? Autumn May 2019 #25
If a Democratic candidate was to say... ehrnst May 2019 #31
It's not my job to tell politicians how to talk. And I have better things to do than waste my Autumn May 2019 #56
And WHATABOUTISM for the win! ehrnst May 2019 #57
Love your WHATABOUTISM go to. I've noticed you tend to use that often when Autumn May 2019 #59
"I know you are but what am I?" ehrnst May 2019 #60
Why do you think that? Because I pointed out Biden's gaffe and you can't clean that one up? Autumn May 2019 #61
"I know you are but what am I?" ehrnst May 2019 #62
To be clear. You seem to be bragging and mocking me, because a quote that you never posted Autumn May 2019 #63
"Admit your mistake and move on." ehrnst May 2019 #64
I didn't make a mistake and claim I posted something that I didn't. nt Autumn May 2019 #65
And ignition! ehrnst May 2019 #66
When Crooked Donnie threatened to close the borders a few weeks ago MySideOfTown May 2019 #67
You need to look at why and how Trump and his minions use the term open borders .nt Autumn May 2019 #71
Which is why we need to change the narrative. n/t MySideOfTown May 2019 #90
Well, very recent statements made by Sanders about Chinese, Vietnamese, Mexican and South American ehrnst May 2019 #7
I'd like to see a link to that statement by Sanders. rgbecker May 2019 #8
My pleasure. ehrnst May 2019 #9
Thanks for posting this video. rgbecker May 2019 #13
Yes, I found the praise for his policies from nationalist anti-immigration conservatives ehrnst May 2019 #24
Jesus. Steve King is praising Bernie?... SidDithers May 2019 #39
King believes that immigrants are a threat to American jobs. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #41
Yikes! Bernie is joined by AFL-CIO in opposing immigration??? rgbecker May 2019 #74
BUT WHAT ABOUT BIDEN??? ehrnst May 2019 #79
ALL CAPS! Gotta love it. What next? rgbecker May 2019 #84
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #85
Precisely. Why did he single out Vietnam and China and Mexico and Latin America? dalton99a May 2019 #10
Could be because these countries have the highest emmigration numbers. rgbecker May 2019 #12
No statistics were given by Senator Sanders, or reasons as to why he chose those ehrnst May 2019 #16
Of Course it is number of immigrants not the rate which effect wages in the country rgbecker May 2019 #28
I think that you may get a backache from bending over backwards ehrnst May 2019 #30
What are you suggesting: That Sanders is a racist? rgbecker May 2019 #32
Your words, Honey, not mine. Perhaps you didn't bother to read this post: ehrnst May 2019 #34
Honey? rgbecker May 2019 #76
Yes, I believe that's the way I spelled it.(nt) ehrnst May 2019 #77
Why didn't he mention Russia or the Ukraine? dalton99a May 2019 #17
Maybe he felt there was a time restriction on the point. rgbecker May 2019 #29
Because he was aware many white Americans view nonwhite immigrants as a threat. dalton99a May 2019 #40
Those are also countries/places that are mentioned whenever jobs are outsourced. ehrnst May 2019 #43
Some people seem to envision uneducated, impoverished, non-white, non-english speaking masses ehrnst May 2019 #15
I'm wondering how you feel about that? rgbecker May 2019 #18
He's no more caucasian than all the former POTUS's before but one. ehrnst May 2019 #21
Ahhh. The crux!! The effective skills! LakeArenal May 2019 #52
The level of tone deafness is amazing. dalton99a May 2019 #19
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #22
+1000. nt ecstatic May 2019 #92
Sanders has voted against a pathway to citizenship because of guest worker programs. WeekiWater May 2019 #14
Sanders' emphasis on immigration as a problem for American workers has gotten him praise ehrnst May 2019 #23
Also from the article: rgbecker May 2019 #36
Thanks for sharing the article! ehrnst May 2019 #38
What immigration activists felt Sanders' Immigration policy is more detailed than HRC'? ehrnst May 2019 #20
You'll have to Google that yourself! rgbecker May 2019 #35
The go to reply for one who can't back up a statement ehrnst May 2019 #37
Listen, I can't control what Time Magazine puts in their article. rgbecker May 2019 #45
You keep accusing me of saying Sanders is racist. Is that what you're left with? ehrnst May 2019 #51
I do not keep accusing you of saying Sanders is racist. rgbecker May 2019 #82
Can you state what "Trump talking points" you are referring to? ehrnst May 2019 #27
In fact you had mentioned that Bernie was making RW talking points.... rgbecker May 2019 #42
If you're going to take the trouble to PM me at 1:00 in the morning to get me to come look at your ehrnst May 2019 #44
If you want to know you are going to have to go through the thread yourself. rgbecker May 2019 #46
You made the claim, it's your burden of proof. ehrnst May 2019 #48
I see I didn't make my point very well. rgbecker May 2019 #50
I call 'em as I see 'em ehrnst May 2019 #53
I was spammed at 1AM as well. I've always found attention-seeking behavior to be annoying. NurseJackie May 2019 #47
Goodness, someone was very, very proud of themselves weren't they? A bit creepy, though. ehrnst May 2019 #49
Well, well. sheshe2 May 2019 #68
You should be proud of yourself too! rgbecker May 2019 #83
Didn't expect to be outed on that, did you? ehrnst May 2019 #86
Don't know what you mean? rgbecker May 2019 #89
Or not. Cha May 2019 #91
Wow Gothmog May 2019 #54
In 2013 there was no shot at passing an immigration bill. Demsrule86 May 2019 #33
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2019 #58
Did rgbecker send you a PM last night asking you to come comment, too? ehrnst May 2019 #70
No and I didn't send you any PMs either. Uncle Joe May 2019 #75
I didn't say you did. ehrnst May 2019 #78
What precisely is your objection to the OP? n/t Uncle Joe May 2019 #87
I'm really feeling left out. NT WeekiWater May 2019 #88
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