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In reply to the discussion: It bothers me that Harris's attack on Biden was apparently coldly calculated in advance, [View all]mobeau69
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It bothers me that Harris's attack on Biden was apparently coldly calculated in advance, [View all]
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
OP
The black community has EVERY right to confront insensitivity in any way that works.
DemocracyMouse
Jun 2019
#206
Oh my gawd. Biden needs to be stronger, but he does not represent represent the panoply
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#211
I wasn't "flaming" - I'm genuinely sick of this "get Kamala" bullying, when the problem was...
DemocracyMouse
Jun 2019
#215
Well, ok. Yes, you were writing in caps. You feel anger on behalf of Harris. Every person here will
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#222
Hillary grew up middle class. Trump grew up rich. Your "class superiority" theory can't be
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#320
Much of AA Community was behind the crime bill. Progressive Senator Bernie Sanders voted for it
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#387
It is the reason I support your candidate if for some reason Biden isn't in it...and I think he will
Demsrule86
Jul 2019
#398
Oh please that was not what went on...a political hit...lets not pretend this was a profound moment.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#271
Harris does not strike me as angry, she strikes me as both emotional and cynical...
RHMerriman
Jun 2019
#302
Politics is not bean bags. IMO it shows that she manages to display her skills and shine...
brush
Jun 2019
#309
Mixed record? Seriously? Sorry, but Joe was defending "states rights" as his response to her...
brush
Jun 2019
#326
Do you have anything Biden did on race in the last 20 years that's objectionable?
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#338
Are you really arguing that supporting federally-ordered mandatory busing of public school children
RHMerriman
Jun 2019
#354
He was not responsible for damaging Hill or even trying to. Clarence Thomas, ironically, used
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#394
One woman refused to. He weighed calling on her as a hostile witness. Counsel to the
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#412
She created this 'opportunity' And it was dishonest too...facts don't add up...t-shirt ready to
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#363
He'd mentioned it before so she probably had it ready to go before that fundraiser.
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#372
He is known to be gaffe-prone but this was way more than a gaffe. Hope he gets past it...
brush
Jun 2019
#373
She.. harris has said herself "they" she and campaign staff had been planning this for months
Thekaspervote
Jul 2019
#401
Hope she doesn't do that if she ever debates that crude lump. He'd hurt 'em some more.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#381
It seems weird to me that DU is projecting Donald Trump's very real racism onto Biden
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#321
Very strange. Biden wants to defeat the White Supremacist enabler. He rolled out his campaign
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#382
Preplanned gotcha moments aren't IMO half as effective as genuine, spontaneous reactions.
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#4
One person did their homework, the other one blew off their debate prep as reported by his aids.
TheBlackAdder
Jun 2019
#160
She lost me ...I never thought she could win a general...but as VP maybe...hell if Biden was gone,
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#322
the entire republican party is is about playing the race card in favor of white people
JI7
Jun 2019
#202
She misrepresented her own story. She was not bused under Federal mandate. NT
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#395
I agree with you 1,000%. She showed me the real Kamala, last night. I am disgusted.
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#5
Agree that the rush to sell the t-shirt was also bad, and also probably planned
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#11
Re the t-shirt -- check out the replies to the CBS News tweet and story about it:
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#134
LOVE the t-shirt, LOVE the debate smackdown. Kamala's got the smarts and moxie to
chimpymustgo
Jun 2019
#369
So? She's been telling that personal story for months now. Nicolle Wallace said that
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#45
She was not an inner city kid...educated parents...lived in Berkley...wait until the oppo research
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#323
We were there when I was little, it was a very nice place as I remember it...
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#329
Yeah...and what year was that picture taken? I went to schools that were not that great to...my
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#364
Were you forced to go to a certain school or prevented from living in a nicer neighborhood
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#365
I'm not disgusted by her, but I was disappointed to realize how calculated what I'd first thought
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#16
Biden was showing his integrity and character by honoring the agreement
friend of m and j
Jun 2019
#210
I have a problem with insincerity and emotional manipulation, which was my takeaway from
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#249
Mining one's own painful and personal history for its political advantage is not a good thing. NT
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#27
LOL. None of the other candidates ever mention their own stories of struggle, do they?
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#58
It's the seemingly "calculated" part that's the objection as well stated in the OP.
Cha
Jun 2019
#79
But the OP is wrong about the photo. It's been all over the Internet since January,
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#95
No. But he constantly talks about how he's willing to work with the other side.
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#132
Biden was chair of the Judiciary Committee. We needed him to do more than just vote no.
StarfishSaver
Jun 2019
#245
But Harris said she agreed with Biden on working with the other side though
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#340
But Harris explicitly said to Biden that she agreed with him on working with the other side.
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#347
Yes it should... Americans by overwhelming poll approval want the 2 sides to work together
Thekaspervote
Jul 2019
#405
It matters HOW you work with the other side. In his eagerness to work with the other side,
pnwmom
Jul 2019
#411
I don't think they will attack rivals in service of their own ambitions, armed with personal
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#353
And you, personally, would never support a candidate who did such a thing, would you?
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#60
He has never used personal pain to bring down another candidate not responsible for it, to advance
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#331
She didn't go after Sanders last night on the issue, even though HE was against busing in the 1970s.
George II
Jun 2019
#6
Unfortunately, some people are going to be considering how this will play nationally.
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#188
I would bet most won't forget and she doesn't get the nomination. She is not playing to a jury.
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#207
She indeed has to fair well in the SC primary, right now it doesn't look like it's going her way
Thekaspervote
Jul 2019
#407
Worse and worser. Fine for the courtroom, but not for a candidate who leads America out of
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#36
Why do you keep repeating this? Out there already, but not used in this manipulative context
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#114
Because the whole premise of the OP was that the fact they could quickly tweet out the photo
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#124
No-it was that the exact phrase she used last night was on a t-shirt with the photo,
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#192
Where was it on her twitter feed? I just looked through her Twitter all day June 27 and 28th
pnwmom
Jun 2019
#212
Sorry, it was picked up by CBS news twitter the night of the debate from her campaign Instagram.
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#296
I'm sure that he never thought that she would insinuate that he was a racist. Anyone would be taken
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#21
Kamala: "I don't believe that you are a racist, but..." In essence, she called him a racist.
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#30
You're actually misquoting her. She never said "I don't believe you're a racist, but"
tishaLA
Jun 2019
#40
No putdown. I am a black woman and proud of it. This is why I speak with cred when I say
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#178
I'm remind of this quote: "Nothing someone says before the word 'but' really counts"
hlthe2b
Jun 2019
#238
Not in this personal a way, with an entire scene played out, using self-revelation to score points.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#43
I think a 70-something white career politician would not need to be handled with kid gloves
RockRaven
Jun 2019
#49
It's the tactic. It's the low blow. It's what this says about character. Aside from a killer
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#67
I also respect Buttigieg for his honest answers about Southbend, his having done a tough thing
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#176
Making up nasty names for a candidate's supporters is frowned on around here n/t
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#351
She benefited from a voluntary busing program that she accused Biden of opposing.
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#19
Never - I know a few neighbors of mine who are convinced that she can win the general. I do not
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#56
I felt it. It was effective. But it was wrong to accuse Biden of hurting her. nt
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#104
She even tried to link Joe to the fact that a little white girl was told by her mother not to
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#167
Her pain? Gimme a break. She is a highly successful attorney with a tough personality
redstateblues
Jun 2019
#180
Sadly I agree. Hillary has said more than once that Americans are not ready for a woman president
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#85
It was faked and the 'I was that girl'...implying Biden hurt her...really disgusting.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#273
I didn't call her liar...now did I? But you know Sen. Harris did imply in her pre-planned attack
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#342
Your reasoning is sounding like whats going on with abortion and the states
womanofthehills
Jun 2019
#144
I have nothing against preparing for debates. As I said in the OP, I was on debate teams for years.
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#39
I want more than just debate skill, which is partly acting skill and partly logic and rhetoric, from
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#258
I think after 8 years of GWB, then 8 of Obama, then 4 of Trump, it's be nice for
RockRaven
Jun 2019
#25
Not when it is cooked up nonsense... prepared would have been to argue issues...50 year old
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#327
You have to understand why all those candidates are there. Each one wants to WIN!
napi21
Jun 2019
#31
Joe just needs to get his "sea legs" under him. Im sure he'll be better prepared for the next debate
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2019
#429
He also didn't listen to them when they told him not to use his relationship with Eastland
BeyondGeography
Jun 2019
#129
Swalwell was calculating but not cold. Had he suggested that Biden was a racist then he would
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#77
Harris and Booker are still making hay as are many posters. And MSM is running a decent man into
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#81
I don't see it as Biden and supporters harping, but the other way round. He is the outstanding
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#96
I didn't see her defeating Trump. Biden is chivalrous in an old school way. He is also empathetic
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#90
They should play cold, hard, even dirty with Republicans, Damaging any candidate's reputation
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#201
She won't beat Trump...so we have to hope that Biden can win...I think he can.
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#274
Cold and calculating is not what voters are after. Yes, removing the dotard is top priority
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#107
More than anything, this election depends on votes, on an electoral college pathway, on those votes.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#205
Well, I agree with your post more than mine. No reason debates can't be civil. NT
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#225
Prior to the debate, Biden was polling 50% of the black vote in South Carolina.
hay rick
Jun 2019
#93
If Biden hadn't opened the door last week by mentioning segregationists, this wouldn't have happened
Hoyt
Jun 2019
#94
Yes it would have...the t-shirts and all the other crap show this was planned for a while...
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#324
Yeah, it would have been a lot better if she hadn't prepared and let your guy win, eh?
Wounded Bear
Jun 2019
#97
I wouldn't applaud. I like him because he has shown political skill without sacrificing integrity.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#123
You are gloating prematurely. She tarnished herself a bit and tipped her hand too early in the game.
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#136
She saw it as an effective debate move... it doesn't seem to be playing well
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#141
Not angry at all. She saw what she did as a way to go after her opponent
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#146
She used a bid for sympathy for the "little girl" Biden had hurt, emoting righteous indignation
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#157
+1,000,000. It was a very emotional "you hurt me" plea for sympathy, which IS effective
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#181
Last night Kamala Harris gave us a preview of the knockout punch she'll deliver to Donald Trump
mtnsnake
Jun 2019
#162
10 days on DU and in single post to me, a member for 15 years, you manage to accuse me of sexism,
Pachamama
Jun 2019
#242
I like Harris, but I said last night she was relying on yanking peoples chain emotionally.
58Sunliner
Jun 2019
#173
What should bother you about that exchange is that Biden was not prepared for it.
SunSeeker
Jun 2019
#221
He defended his civil rights record forcefully. He corrected Harris on her key points.
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#226
Biden didn't defend states rights and it's just plain lazy to claim that he did. nt
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#229
The point is that the press can call it states rights but Biden didn't and we shouldn't.
ucrdem
Jun 2019
#297
It's not a "lazy characterization." He clearly invoked a states rights argument.
SunSeeker
Jun 2019
#300
Biden QUOTE: "...what I opposed is busing ordered by the Department of Education."
SunSeeker
Jun 2019
#307
Opposing federal mandate in favor of "local decision" is a states rights argument.
SunSeeker
Jul 2019
#415
School districts are part of the local/state govt states rights advocates wanted trumping the feds.
SunSeeker
Jul 2019
#418
If this was planned for months on her part it wouldn't have mattered what his answer was
Thekaspervote
Jun 2019
#379
I like Harris and Biden. The proper thing is to attack Rump's constant racism.
Mc Mike
Jun 2019
#251
As a woman, I find it amusing that you think my opinion here is sexist. I supported
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
#266
Please, McConnell is also cold and calculating. This Atlantic article even described him as such...
Skya Rhen
Jun 2019
#269
"Also"? McConnell is evil, and coldly conspired to illegally deprive Obama of a SCOTUS seat.
SunSeeker
Jul 2019
#421
Has anyone asked Senator Harris if she will campaigning on reinstating busing?
emulatorloo
Jun 2019
#345
The Iraq war vote debate thing with him happened Thursday (and will again) It just got lost in the
Celerity
Jun 2019
#316
same here..i even told hubby that now i feel harris will step all over others to get ahead..
samnsara
Jun 2019
#288
It was obviously planned, and at first I was taken aback with what seemed like crocodile tears...
TreasonousBastard
Jun 2019
#293
You honestly think Trump would care if he "hurt" her or that she could shame him? He'd just mug
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#384
That is all too true, but shaming him isn't really the point, since...
TreasonousBastard
Jun 2019
#386
Good point. But her effectiveness to challenge Biden relied in part on discombobulating
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#388
Joe walked straight into a left hook in the main event slugfest, down for the count!
Baclava
Jun 2019
#299
I find it hard to believe that Joe Biden is so sensitive that the other candidates have to make nice
dawg day
Jun 2019
#310
He can't be tough...why she was a 'hurting little girl'...she played it so a gentleman like Biden's
Demsrule86
Jun 2019
#333
By saying he hurt her? Trying to make him say sorry to "that little girl?" And how much does
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#383
To compare how biden did against harris and how he will do against dotard is not a good comparison
Thekaspervote
Jul 2019
#400
Too bad Biden wasn't coldly calculating all the attacks that would be coming his way. He was
TeamPooka
Jun 2019
#375
Her story was misleading. She made herself the poster-girl for Federally mandated busing, but
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#391
Yes. Berkley Ca. for the past 150 years has been a liberal bastion. In fact, it has a
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#422
The free speech movement was about civil rights, not just saying the F word. Harris's school board
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#425
As Harris pointed out, Berkeley did not integrate until 2 decades after Brown v. Bd. Of Ed.
SunSeeker
Jul 2019
#428
Gives me a lot to think about. Thanks. More fed money for schools, but people need housing help,
emmaverybo
Jul 2019
#431