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NNadir

(33,516 posts)
16. There is a middle?
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 09:19 AM
Jul 2019

Maybe, but if so, it's becoming vanishingly small.

The OP is about changing one's mind.

I'm really not into soothsaying. I certainly recall not liking a certain Democratic candidate in 2008 who many people thought could never win an election because he was, um, of African heritage.

I thought that winning was so important that our party was perhaps making a mistake in choosing the candidate who appealed to our hearts rather than the one who was "electable."

That candidate, the best President of my adult life won the election, and the "electable" candidate that year won a later election, but not so strongly as to be awarded the Presidency.

We all like to assume that anyone who voted for Trump is impossibly stupid, but perhaps there are some among them who fit appropriately into that old adage, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

I think it is disingenuous to translate early polls into triumphant announcements of a path to victory. Were that so, Hillary and not that racist piece of shit, would be in the White House.

I am absolutely convinced that there are undoubtedly some Trump voters in the swing states who feel they have been played for fools and are as mad as hell about it. Not all of them are as stupid as we think. They can see what is happening in their daily lives. Think for a minute on a soybean farmer now facing bankruptcy, a factory worker in Lordstown.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Great comments yonder Jul 2019 #1
+1 backtoblue Jul 2019 #2
Hillary was a Republican. Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #3
In many ways, painful to reflect upon, it is not just that Trump is so bad, but that Hillary... NNadir Jul 2019 #4
+ a million or so! BlueMTexpat Jul 2019 #5
She was a teenager, never voted for a Republican. betsuni Jul 2019 #6
She was the President of the Young Republicans chapter in college Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #10
Even if all this were true, it is precisely the point. NNadir Jul 2019 #14
That's some real mental gymnastics to say the guy who was right all along is the bad guy. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #18
"Some people fought Reaganism tooth and nail" betsuni Jul 2019 #22
Yeah, being arrested for civil rights protests and being the chairperson of.... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #23
And after college? betsuni Jul 2019 #24
Head start teacher? Psychiatric aid? Filmmaker? Omigod he was a monster! Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #26
You seem upset. betsuni Jul 2019 #27
Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #29
Wait, Bernie was arrested while marching for civil rights? BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #35
It would be useful to take a sober look at one of the most important pieces of American History. NNadir Jul 2019 #28
How can anyone who has never voted for a Republican be a Republican? betsuni Jul 2019 #21
you need to stop spreading disinfo about Warren, you are pushing flat-out falsehoods up and down Celerity Jul 2019 #32
and she was the target of many who are now Warren supporters for it wyldwolf Jul 2019 #9
HRC was a teenager mcar Jul 2019 #19
Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #7
Republicans weren't always movement conservatives and assholes. no_hypocrisy Jul 2019 #8
The beginning of the downward spiral ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #11
Welcome to DU ProfessionalLeft! no_hypocrisy Jul 2019 #33
Thanks, no_hypocrisy ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #38
+1000 Kind of Blue Jul 2019 #12
The question is DownriverDem Jul 2019 #13
There is a middle? NNadir Jul 2019 #16
any of our current candidates are MUCH more electable than Obama was in 2008 AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #30
I agree. n/t. NNadir Jul 2019 #31
A former Republican of good character who becomes a Democrat Hortensis Jul 2019 #15
Well said. n/t NNadir Jul 2019 #17
There would be some great satisfaction seeing WOMAN defeating trump oldsoftie Jul 2019 #20
I guess she is as close to my pick as any... Maxheader Jul 2019 #25
So, if you were not born into a Repub family, you can't be a good president? unitedwethrive Jul 2019 #34
You may be misinterpreting what I am saying. NNadir Jul 2019 #36
I think it also means she drmeow Jul 2019 #37
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