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Gothmog

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51. No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 07:39 PM
Jul 2019

No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I am so glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717

Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesn’t mean that he’ll be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but there’s just no way to know.

Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: There’s no way to know how it’s going to go. But he’s got his work cut out for him.

See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0

2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)

Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.

Now we can see how sanders reacts to being vetted



Among some Democrats, there was a sense of bewilderment that the Sanders campaign had gone—as one operative put it—”nuclear” over a mere web video. One Democratic consultant sympathetic to Sanders described the video as being “like a gnat buzzing around your ear,” one which should not have distracted from the candidate’s Midwest tour.

It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.

“When you’re leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day,” said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. “An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isn’t actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.”

I am amused that the sanders campaign is upset that sanders is being vetted and things like sexual harassment and unfair labor charges are coming out. The attacks on mainstream media by the sanders surrogates are really sad and are not working
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Sanders and women [View all] ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 OP
He did attack Planned Parenthood as "part of the establishment" nycbos Jul 2019 #1
How long do you have to be in the Senate to be wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #17
Hence the Monty Python clip. nycbos Jul 2019 #20
There's never a bad time for a little Python. There's a clip for every occasion! NurseJackie Jul 2019 #45
Haha! This one never gets old! floppyboo Jul 2019 #42
Do you really think that the Democratic party is "in stasis or dying?" And "needs a forest fire?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jul 2019 #88
In an effort to better understand your analogy, I read up a bit on gardening. lapucelle Jul 2019 #90
The influence of those four, ultimately three, was minimal at best. George II Jul 2019 #91
Interesting. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #94
It is twisted logic to think that everyone who is not Bernie Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #104
I remember that also Gothmog Jul 2019 #35
Hilariously fitting. NT emmaverybo Jul 2019 #76
Not only that, he put out a statement that Richards needed to apologize for the "tone" of a doctored silentEcho Jul 2019 #78
+1 betsuni Jul 2019 #83
I'll Never Forget the 2016 Video of Bernie Shoving Jane Aside to Get to the Microphone dlk Jul 2019 #2
He was very disrespectful of a female panelist on Real Time... NurseJackie Jul 2019 #10
When Someone Shows You Who They Are, Believe Them the First Time dlk Jul 2019 #61
+10000. Especially if they make, "I don't change" a major selling point ehrnst Jul 2019 #95
"Don't stand next to me." George II Jul 2019 #103
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2019 #3
A Jewish guy makes her skin crawl? Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2019 #4
Meh. There is no evidence for that ProfessorPlum Jul 2019 #5
You might want to rethink that post Peacetrain Jul 2019 #6
... NurseJackie Jul 2019 #12
The daughter of a holocaust escapee and you make a cheap, tasteless joke about her? Unbelievable. George II Jul 2019 #14
There's an old axiom about desperate times... NurseJackie Jul 2019 #21
I didn't realize that mcar Jul 2019 #39
When painted into a defenseless corner NYMinute Jul 2019 #55
Growing up in Brooklyn and then Queens I saw that too many times. George II Jul 2019 #56
Not that unbelievable still_one Jul 2019 #59
Mimi Rocah is Jewish. lapucelle Jul 2019 #15
Some people shamelessly try to be funny about sensitive subjects. George II Jul 2019 #23
It's a hateful, slanderous thing to say. lapucelle Jul 2019 #25
Rocah's father fled the Nazis, and they're Jewish. So that's not the issue. pnwmom Jul 2019 #16
so ? stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #26
A Jewish guy makes her skin crawl? bernie madoff is skin crawl ! stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #27
Mimi is a Jew Gothmog Jul 2019 #31
At least Mimi did not give a speech to the racists at Liberty Univ. on Rosh Hashanah Gothmog Jul 2019 #34
Isn't that a high Holy Day? sheshe2 Jul 2019 #62
Yes, sanders gave this speech to the bigots at Liberty Univ. on Rosh Hashanah Gothmog Jul 2019 #73
Not surprised you were unable to answer, Goth. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #77
Most observant Jews are at services on High Holy Days Gothmog Jul 2019 #80
I can't blame them. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #82
Oh stop mcar Jul 2019 #36
All roads lead to... sheshe2 Jul 2019 #84
Because surely there is no other possible reason... mcar Jul 2019 #89
She's Jewish. TwilightZone Jul 2019 #37
If I said Jeffery Epstein made my skin crawl, would you call me an antisemitic too? sheshe2 Jul 2019 #64
New Rule: Jewish people are antisemitic if they say something mean about Bernie. betsuni Jul 2019 #66
So noted... sheshe2 Jul 2019 #67
That appears to be a new rule Gothmog Jul 2019 #74
She's Jewish. You should delete your post. emulatorloo Jul 2019 #81
Your comment here is bordering on antisemitism. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #87
Wow. MrsCoffee Jul 2019 #92
Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #93
Oh, please. She's Jewish, FFS... ehrnst Jul 2019 #96
A new low kcr Jul 2019 #97
Excellent misdirect. The conversation was about Sanders not being a strong woman advocate. silentEcho Jul 2019 #98
Former Bernie Sanders Staffers Voice Concern About 'Sexual Harassment and Violence' on 2016 Campaign lapucelle Jul 2019 #7
I am good friends with Sarah Slamen, a former sanders campaign worker Gothmog Jul 2019 #30
I saw that post & read some of Sarah's tweets, but I didn't know she was excluded from the meeting. lapucelle Jul 2019 #38
No, she was uninvited or excluded Gothmog Jul 2019 #41
So she's still on team Bernie? n/t pnwmom Jul 2019 #43
No Gothmog Jul 2019 #47
It seems so obvious to me , but clearly it's not to his supporters, pnwmom Jul 2019 #48
I am hoping that we can keep sanders under 300 delegates for the National Convention Gothmog Jul 2019 #49
Mimi Rocah probably read the essays nt Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #8
You make a very valid point. She's not the only one. NurseJackie Jul 2019 #22
I read the essays too. Speaking of making your skin crawl... SunSeeker Jul 2019 #33
No kidding. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #65
Bernie hatred is weird. I like his policies and I like him. Not as much as I do BeckyDem Jul 2019 #9
His supporters contempt for Hillary was weird. His refusal to concede pnwmom Jul 2019 #11
This. Exactly this. eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2019 #18
The awful and dreadful and UNTRUE things he's said about Democrats and the Democratic party... NurseJackie Jul 2019 #24
+1 mcar Jul 2019 #40
His supporters? That's your problem? Not him though, right? floppyboo Jul 2019 #46
I'm not impressed with the man who loved to wag his finger at Hillary pnwmom Jul 2019 #50
what were the other complaints from women? floppyboo Jul 2019 #58
A group of women on the campaign said they were harassed and paid less than men. pnwmom Jul 2019 #63
Do a search on Bernie Sanders, Sierra Blanca. TexasTowelie Jul 2019 #71
Here you go: ehrnst Jul 2019 #99
From Paul Wellstone's floor speech opposing the legislation to allow the building of the dump: lapucelle Jul 2019 #101
No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted Gothmog Jul 2019 #51
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #53
Not quite. Watch his supporters boo John Lewis. The John Lewis! GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #69
Not all Hillary's supporters, which included myself, did not believe he did anything wrong. BeckyDem Jul 2019 #52
Perhaps you should have paid more attention Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #54
Its done. 2020 is coming. BeckyDem Jul 2019 #60
Some have apparently forgotten the rape fantasy essay. pnwmom Jul 2019 #13
Those essays make *my* skin crawl NYMinute Jul 2019 #57
Rape fantasy tell us what a 30 something yr old man thought about women, for sure. silentEcho Jul 2019 #85
I. Couldn't. Keep. Watching. SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #19
Many women watching the debates were put off by all the finger wagging. pnwmom Jul 2019 #28
Apparently both Abby Huntsman (3:55) and Joe Biden are put off by it too: George II Jul 2019 #44
Mimi is a great lawyer and I like her Gothmog Jul 2019 #29
"It's not good enough for somebody to say, 'I'm a woman, vote for me!'" betsuni Jul 2019 #32
She The People sheshe2 Jul 2019 #68
I believe he was the only person booed at that event. George II Jul 2019 #70
I believe you are right. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #72
I remember that event well Gothmog Jul 2019 #75
PP establishment, agree Richards owed apology for RW doctored video, sex selection an issue in U.S. silentEcho Jul 2019 #79
:) Sanders and women. Hortensis Jul 2019 #100
That first one, wow. Incredibly rude. silentEcho Jul 2019 #102
All of them, imo. That poor interviewer bending, forced backward Hortensis Jul 2019 #105
Totally but the first feels like a smack wasn't far. silentEcho Jul 2019 #107
:) Like an irritating fly? Perhaps. My take was he'd dismissed Hortensis Jul 2019 #108
this line of attack by sanders does not appear to be working Gothmog Jul 2019 #106
That ad looks like Nina Turner's work. It will backfire comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #109
From what I have seen, this ad is indeed backfiring Gothmog Jul 2019 #110
"He has been voting for a woman's right to choose ... even before it was the cool thing to do betsuni Jul 2019 #111
Who knows? Gothmog Jul 2019 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Jul 2019 #113
Poor Bernie. He just doesn't get any respect. yardwork Jul 2019 #114
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