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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Sanders and women [View all]Gothmog
(145,176 posts)51. No one took sanders seriously in 2016 and so sanders was not vetted
No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I am so glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717
Finally, what happens when the oppo dump on Sanders comes? We have no idea, because it never happened in 2016. Clinton was so terrified of alienating his supporters and seeing them vote for Jill Stein in the general election (or not vote at all) that she tiptoed around him for pretty much the entirety of the primary campaign. That doesnt mean that hell be destroyed when stories about the more colorful aspects of his history start cropping up, but theres just no way to know.
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0
2. How will he withstand more scrutiny and more attacks?
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
Now we can see how sanders reacts to being vetted
Link to tweet
Among some Democrats, there was a sense of bewilderment that the Sanders campaign had goneas one operative put itnuclear over a mere web video. One Democratic consultant sympathetic to Sanders described the video as being like a gnat buzzing around your ear, one which should not have distracted from the candidates Midwest tour.
It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.
When youre leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day, said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isnt actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.
It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.
When youre leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day, said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isnt actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.
I am amused that the sanders campaign is upset that sanders is being vetted and things like sexual harassment and unfair labor charges are coming out. The attacks on mainstream media by the sanders surrogates are really sad and are not working
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NurseJackie
Jul 2019
#45
Do you really think that the Democratic party is "in stasis or dying?" And "needs a forest fire?"
ehrnst
Jul 2019
#86
In an effort to better understand your analogy, I read up a bit on gardening.
lapucelle
Jul 2019
#90
Not only that, he put out a statement that Richards needed to apologize for the "tone" of a doctored
silentEcho
Jul 2019
#78
I'll Never Forget the 2016 Video of Bernie Shoving Jane Aside to Get to the Microphone
dlk
Jul 2019
#2
The daughter of a holocaust escapee and you make a cheap, tasteless joke about her? Unbelievable.
George II
Jul 2019
#14
At least Mimi did not give a speech to the racists at Liberty Univ. on Rosh Hashanah
Gothmog
Jul 2019
#34
If I said Jeffery Epstein made my skin crawl, would you call me an antisemitic too?
sheshe2
Jul 2019
#64
New Rule: Jewish people are antisemitic if they say something mean about Bernie.
betsuni
Jul 2019
#66
Excellent misdirect. The conversation was about Sanders not being a strong woman advocate.
silentEcho
Jul 2019
#98
Former Bernie Sanders Staffers Voice Concern About 'Sexual Harassment and Violence' on 2016 Campaign
lapucelle
Jul 2019
#7
I saw that post & read some of Sarah's tweets, but I didn't know she was excluded from the meeting.
lapucelle
Jul 2019
#38
I am hoping that we can keep sanders under 300 delegates for the National Convention
Gothmog
Jul 2019
#49
Bernie hatred is weird. I like his policies and I like him. Not as much as I do
BeckyDem
Jul 2019
#9
The awful and dreadful and UNTRUE things he's said about Democrats and the Democratic party...
NurseJackie
Jul 2019
#24
A group of women on the campaign said they were harassed and paid less than men.
pnwmom
Jul 2019
#63
From Paul Wellstone's floor speech opposing the legislation to allow the building of the dump:
lapucelle
Jul 2019
#101
Not all Hillary's supporters, which included myself, did not believe he did anything wrong.
BeckyDem
Jul 2019
#52
Rape fantasy tell us what a 30 something yr old man thought about women, for sure.
silentEcho
Jul 2019
#85
PP establishment, agree Richards owed apology for RW doctored video, sex selection an issue in U.S.
silentEcho
Jul 2019
#79