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JackFrost

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40. I think my point on voting with the two posts I made in this thread is pretty clear no ?
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:30 PM
Sep 2019

Again...this is not hard to grasp and yes I subscribe to the sentiment put forth by Sanders below.

"Not to use electoral politics in this country as a means to educate people is absolutely stupid. On the other hand, if someone says, “I believe in electoral politics, but I don’t believe in building a mass movement and a grassroots movement to deal with the basic social conflicts that exist in this country, well, you gotta be crazy not to understand the importance of that.” You move in every direction you can move in."

--Bernie Sanders

Voting as the be all and end all vehicle for social change is not the answer. Voting in a system that is controlled from top to bottom by big Capital and the owners can only get so far. This even with the best of intentioned program that advances the cause of the working class. What's much more important is which side one is on rather than who one votes for. We have two basic classes in this country. A ruling class and a working class. One can't be advancing and defending the causes of one and claim to be for the other. Which side one is on in that equation is pretty easy to decipher in short order.

As far as your commentary on the military. Many on the left are anti-war and don't subscribe to your view of the military as a staunch advocate in the defense of rights. Let me make it clear...

https://fas.org/man/smedley.htm

(Snip)

I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

-- Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.






If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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A Question I have for Bernie Sanders [View all] Otto Lidenbrock Sep 2019 OP
Shows a self-centered trait. nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #1
Yeah, because being interested in social justice and African American issues is self centered. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #4
There is no independent proof that he was interested in it BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #8
There are actual voting records that show when sanders voted Gothmog Sep 2019 #9
Precisely BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #11
Why distort Sanders civil rights record? There is plenty of proof HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #14
actually there is independent proof that he was involved in civil rights back in the early 60's Celerity Sep 2019 #17
when does ignorance become distortion? HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #15
That ship sailed a long time ago. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #22
Because no candidate in his lifetime was as awesome as him, I guess Clash City Rocker Sep 2019 #2
re: "if you need to be 'excited' by a candidate just to vote...you must be in a state of privilege" thesquanderer Sep 2019 #3
LBJ had arguably the two most iconic ads in presidential campaign history Otto Lidenbrock Sep 2019 #5
But did he target young voters? thesquanderer Sep 2019 #18
He didn't vote until he was almost 40 years old? LisaM Sep 2019 #6
I think the Math computes to an age of 32 n/t Tom Rinaldo Sep 2019 #12
Well, I looked up and he ran for mayor of Burlington in 1980 LisaM Sep 2019 #13
My first vote was for Jimmy Carter. Blue_true Sep 2019 #24
Me too! betsuni Sep 2019 #32
I am older than you are. My first vote was to elect him. Blue_true Sep 2019 #35
We do not need another egoist in the presidency. Though Bernie is a strong fighter on behalf emmaverybo Sep 2019 #7
I also would like to know the answer to this question Gothmog Sep 2019 #10
Do you really expect an answer from Bernie? aidbo Sep 2019 #16
It's a valid question and up for debate nini Sep 2019 #27
Voting is a marginal form of political activism... JackFrost Sep 2019 #19
but he didn't walk into the voting booth at all until he ran and he wanted to vote for himself JI7 Sep 2019 #21
Probably changed his political tactics and strategies... JackFrost Sep 2019 #23
Members of our military are deployed all over the world to defend Amercans' right to vote... George II Sep 2019 #36
I think my point on voting with the two posts I made in this thread is pretty clear no ? JackFrost Sep 2019 #40
maybe for the same reason he did nothing to help Vermont's democratic gov get single payer JI7 Sep 2019 #20
Exactly. Bernie said that it was essentially a Vermont issue. Can you imagine that? nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #26
So speaks "the most popular politician in the country"! George II Sep 2019 #37
Senator Sander's behavior as Governor Shumlin struggled to get Single Payer in Vermont Blue_true Sep 2019 #38
He says that when he saw a JFK/Nixon debate, what JFK said about the Cuban revolution betsuni Sep 2019 #25
He did not know that liberalism was not communism? Kennedy was hawkish on communism, emmaverybo Sep 2019 #29
I rarely understand what Bernie means when he says things. betsuni Sep 2019 #30
That's because he's a visionary, ahead of us all. emmaverybo Sep 2019 #31
Yes, my centrist establishment Third Way corporatist status quo brains cannot deal betsuni Sep 2019 #33
You can send him your question at roody Sep 2019 #28
Truth is, I don't really care why he didn't vote back then... TreasonousBastard Sep 2019 #34
A lot of people, both privileged and not privileged, become disenchanted with or aikoaiko Sep 2019 #39
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