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Gothmog

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80. How long will Warren dodge on health care and taxes??
Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:01 PM
Sep 2019



None other than late-night host Stephen Colbert made it painfully clear that Warren is ducking. He asked twice about whether taxes will go up and practically begged her to level with voters. “I’ve listened to these answers a few times before," he said, "and I just want to make a parallel suggestion to you that you might defend the taxes, perhaps, you’re not mentioning in your sentence: ‘Isn’t Medicare for All like public school? There might be taxes for it, but you save money sending your kids to school, and do you want to live in a world where your kids aren’t educated? Do you want to live in a world where your fellow Americans are dying?’”

Let’s be clear: If Colbert and debate moderators can figure this out, her opponents in the primary and, more important, the Republicans in the general election will hit her again and again.

It is not simply a matter of the viability of her health-care plan. It goes to her core critique of the moderates: They are too timid and too scared to do the big things. Well, perhaps they have figured out what the big things cost and don’t see they are economically or politically viable.

Warren’s brand is truth-telling about the rich and powerful, but you simply cannot get the rich and big corporations to pay for all of it. The Medicare-for-all plan introduced by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is presumably the basis for Warren’s idea — despite all her other plans, she has little specifics on health care. Sanders’s plan posits a number of funding sources and specifies a premium for families (“a typical family of four earning $50,000, after taking the standard deduction, would pay a 4 percent income-based premium to fund Medicare for All — just $844 a year — saving that family over $4,400 a year. Because of the standard deduction, families of four making less than $29,000 a year would not pay this premium”). Now, there are a lot of people who consider themselves middle-class who might have to pay more, but at least Sanders makes some effort to spell out the costs and the savings.
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K&R highplainsdem Sep 2019 #1
The HIC has done its job bamboozling people. Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #2
NO.. this is REALITY. Cha Sep 2019 #6
Yes the reality is that the propaganda Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #8
No this is people wanting to keep Cha Sep 2019 #9
You have exactly no choice in an employer based Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #11
Americans want Biden's health plan. Cha Sep 2019 #12
Not all Americans. athena Sep 2019 #59
Of course.. the majority. Cha Sep 2019 #72
Nobody is saying you HAVE to keep your private insurance. brooklynite Sep 2019 #49
People would have the public option or the employer option. Hortensis Sep 2019 #54
I disagree. athena Sep 2019 #63
Nice aspiring post, Athena. But even imagining that Hortensis Sep 2019 #64
You said that your expertise on M4A was based on living in Canada for awhile. ehrnst Sep 2019 #66
I should 'calm down'? Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #71
Actually, it's not "horseshit" if Americans believe that M4A would mean that a public plan ehrnst Sep 2019 #67
I had no choice in my employer based health insurance plan, ooky Sep 2019 #85
When I worked for corporations, I had platinum level Blue_true Sep 2019 #15
Or you could be working part time at whole foods Voltaire2 Sep 2019 #18
Biden's plan deals with part time workers. That would be part of the ACA expansion. Blue_true Sep 2019 #21
The ACA has made some real progress there, where nothing else had. ehrnst Sep 2019 #27
Politics is the art of the possible. EOM The Mouth Sep 2019 #37
Knowing the difference between impossible and possible makes one a much better lawmaker. ehrnst Sep 2019 #42
I don't see Senator Sanders effectively combatting the misinformation surrounding ehrnst Sep 2019 #24
The way I read it Republican and Democrats were polled. I didn't find a link in the article to get Autumn Sep 2019 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Sep 2019 #45
It's worked on a number of those on this thread. Jakes Progress Sep 2019 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #3
Why are you making right-wing arguments? athena Sep 2019 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #29
Your statement was patently false. Medicare for All does not take away choice. athena Sep 2019 #31
No, Bernie Sanders' plan does indeed take away more options than people think ehrnst Sep 2019 #46
You don't seem to understand what "Medicare for All" means. athena Sep 2019 #52
No, that's not in his bill, and no physician is required to treat you. ehrnst Sep 2019 #61
I know about single-payer health care because I have lived under such a system. athena Sep 2019 #62
So you're describing National Health in Canada, not M4A, as per Sanders. ehrnst Sep 2019 #65
Great post. Thanks for the useful info. oasis Oct 2019 #91
That is not true...those who get good insurance though work would no longer have it. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #48
Don't you understand that there would be no "plan"? athena Sep 2019 #60
We have no idea what the health care in a government plan will be like...and no matter what people Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #68
Please do some reasearch into how Medicare for All will actually cover, and how it will work ehrnst Sep 2019 #69
Do you believe that Elizabeth Warren has studied Medicare for All? Uncle Joe Sep 2019 #77
I don't agree with her on that, but unlike other candidates, she has shown ehrnst Sep 2019 #81
Why are you insulting people? "right-wing arguments" ehrnst Sep 2019 #70
Ta-dah! NurseJackie Sep 2019 #4
Push polls always get the answer you want. GeorgeGist Sep 2019 #5
Two-thirds of registered voters support letting anyone buy into Medicare, similar to an idea that.. Cha Sep 2019 #7
It's not a "push poll" just because you don't like it's result. tritsofme Sep 2019 #14
We can't have two systems. Private insurance must go. Joe941 Sep 2019 #13
I can promise you that if elimination of private insurance is attempted by fiat, Blue_true Sep 2019 #17
Any candidate running on eliminating private insurance The Mouth Sep 2019 #19
I am afraid so. Elimination of private insurance by fiat like Bernie is proposing is a total Blue_true Sep 2019 #20
Most people don't really understand that his plan will eliminate private insurance ehrnst Sep 2019 #23
Employers that just send their employees into a public plan with nothing else should Blue_true Sep 2019 #73
The ACA has specific eligibility guidelines for employers to send their employees to the exchanges ehrnst Sep 2019 #82
You make many excellent points. But I believe that expanding the ACA income cap, Blue_true Sep 2019 #83
It took me many years and much sacrifice to get a Union job The Mouth Sep 2019 #35
Most people that like their health insurance would do the same as you. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #74
Together with winning the White House in 2020 question everything Sep 2019 #32
NBC/WSJ poll shows Biden's healthcare stance (optional Medicare buy-in) much more popular Gothmog Sep 2019 #16
Yep. Medicare Buy In as an option. Let consumers decide. Freethinker65 Sep 2019 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #22
Why are you propagating right-wing talking points? athena Sep 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Sep 2019 #30
+1 question everything Sep 2019 #33
I pointed out all the ways in which your post was wrong and misleading. athena Sep 2019 #38
Medicare for all...all would be on Medicare...not a plan they chose...by definition it takes away Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #50
. athena Sep 2019 #57
Differing opinions are fine The Mouth Sep 2019 #36
Medicare for All does not take away choice. athena Sep 2019 #39
It damned well is. The Mouth Sep 2019 #40
Do you understand what "Medicare for All" means? athena Sep 2019 #41
Yes, I did "choose" my health insurance. Very carefully. The Mouth Sep 2019 #43
A beautiful demonstration of the attitude that is turning the U.S. into a third-world country. athena Sep 2019 #47
Do you understand that unions gave up pay and other things for their good health care that Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #51
My health care plan? It's Canada's health care plan. It works well for them. athena Sep 2019 #56
Nope.. Working hard, sacrificing, and planning for something is 'elitist' and makes one selfish The Mouth Sep 2019 #58
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #55
Which is probably the reason why Warren has yet to release her health care bill question everything Sep 2019 #34
It is too late for that....the flip flop commercial write themselves if she changes her positions... Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #53
I'm fine with this Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2019 #44
No brainer ... MFA is like jumping off a cliff ... nt PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #75
That's soley because private insurance is a known. m4a is an unknown. Lib 4 Life Sep 2019 #76
I wish Warren would explain it better. Jakes Progress Sep 2019 #79
How long will Warren dodge on health care and taxes?? Gothmog Sep 2019 #80
Remember back when Warren supported Obama are? Gothmog Sep 2019 #84
Obamacare Has Made People Healthier Gothmog Oct 2019 #86
Mahalo, Goth! Cha Oct 2019 #87
Hey Cha Gothmog Oct 2019 #88
KICK! Cha Oct 2019 #89
Warren Has Said She Supports a Buy-In Option as a Transitional Pathway DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #90
Will Medicare-for-all hurt the middle class? Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders struggle with quest Gothmog Oct 2019 #92
They were against the ACA too. Joe941 Oct 2019 #93
73% of people favor [the] public option that would keep private insurance in place Gothmog Oct 2019 #94
... Scurrilous Oct 2019 #95
Support for a public option has been increasing, and for Medicare-for-All has been decreasing Gothmog Oct 2019 #96
Why Elizabeth Warren won't talk about the cost of 'Medicare for All' Gothmog Oct 2019 #97
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