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Uncle Joe

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4. I agree with your first two sentences.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 11:03 AM
Oct 2019

As for me I believe the military coup in Honduras was psychotic for one.


Many governments, media, and human-rights organisations outside Honduras have termed the ouster a coup.[38] The United Nations, the Organization of American States (OAS),[39] and the European Union condemned the removal of Zelaya as a military coup. On 5 July 2009, the Organization of American States OAS, invoking for the first time Article 21 of the Inter-American Democratic Charter, voted by acclamation of all member states to suspend Honduras from the organisation.[40]

Soon after the coup, U.S. President Barack Obama stated: "We believe that the coup was not legal and that President Zelaya remains the president of Honduras, the democratically elected president there."[41] He stated: "It would be a terrible precedent if we start moving backwards into the era in which we are seeing military coups as a means of political transition, rather than democratic elections."[41] Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, however, equivocated, saying that "We do think that this has evolved into a coup" and noting that under U.S. law, officially declaring a coup would oblige the U.S. to cut off most foreign aid to Honduras."[41][42] Cutting off aid was seen as a possibility in the days after the coup,[42] and State Department Director of Policy Planning Anne-Marie Slaughter urged Clinton to "take bold action" and to "find that [the] coup was a 'military coup' under U.S. law."[43] Nevertheless, Clinton did not do so, and the U.S. never formally declared that a coup had occurred.[41] By November 2009, the U.S. "focused on pushing for elections" in the country.[44] In September 2009, the Board of the U.S. Millennium Challenge Corporation, headed by Clinton, cut off $11 million in aid to the Honduran government in the wake of the coup, and suspended another $4 million in planned contributions to a road project.[45] From 2009 to mid-2016, however, the U.S. provided about $200 million in military and police aid to Honduras, a controversial decision given the violence in Honduras and the government's human rights violations.[46]


As of 2014 the coup had weakened democratic institutions such, that along with corruption and police impunity, state security forces persecuted coup opponents, campesinos, indigenous protesters and others, and the crime rate increased massively. In this context more than 13,000 Honduran children crossed U.S. borders from October 2013 until May 2014, a 1272% increase compared to 2009.[116]

That same year, Senate Armed Services Committee Chair Carl Levin asked the U.S. Defense Department Office of the Inspector General to investigate charges that the William Perry Center for Hemispheric Defense Studies , the educational arm of U.S. Southern Command located at the National Defense University in Washington, D.C., had actively promoted the coup declared illegal by President Obama but remained unpunished.[117]

Following the coup trends of decreasing poverty and extreme poverty were reversed. The nation saw a poverty increase of 13.2 percent and in extreme poverty of 26.3 percent in just 3 years.[118] Furthermore, unemployment grew between 2008 and 2012 from 6.8 percent to 14.1 percent.[118]



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
I am.... FarPoint Oct 2019 #1
It's a shame, because I think she has many positives. thesquanderer Oct 2019 #2
It was a window into her soul. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2019 #3
I agree with your first two sentences. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #4
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #5
That's not even close to true. It's misinformation straight from RT. DanTex Oct 2019 #6
Do more research on her nini Oct 2019 #7
Yes n/t Devil Child Oct 2019 #8
I like her on a few things but not sure to make of this scrap between her and Clinton el_bryanto Oct 2019 #9
No. She is deceptive in her words and actions. Not aligned with Democratic Party principles. Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #10
Nyet! applegrove Oct 2019 #11
Never did! EOM tiredtoo Oct 2019 #12
Mixed bag. I agree with her on Yemen. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #13
Definitely. pintobean Oct 2019 #14
How about HELL NO??!!!! n/t Tarheel_Dem Oct 2019 #15
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