Democratic Primaries

W_HAMILTON

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2. Bullshit.

Reply to janterry (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:46 AM

Dec 2019

Those Democrats all had progressive ideas and got a helluva lot more of them enacted than Sanders ever has.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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FDR, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ,Carter, Clinton, Obama ... all Establishment Democrats [View all] Peacetrain Dec 2019 OP

this is just justification from the center janterry Dec 2019 #1

Bullshit. W_HAMILTON Dec 2019 #2

Touche'! Cha Dec 2019 #6

I know what I see janterry Dec 2019 #8

If you understand the concept of "regression to the mean"... Sloumeau Dec 2019 #63

I honestly don't think that will work janterry Dec 2019 #66

I don't get it. People act like there's been no progress made. I'm 65.. Kahuna7 Dec 2019 #16

If you like progress, stop making "The Establishment" your god. DemocracyMouse Dec 2019 #20

+1 progressoid Dec 2019 #22

No one is making anyone a "god". Cha Dec 2019 #28

Well justie18 Dec 2019 #34

"The Estasblisment" of the Democratic Party has accomplished far more for people like me... W_HAMILTON Dec 2019 #41

Pretty sanctimonious to bring up god LakeArenal Dec 2019 #55

Wait...what? Elizabeth Warren (your candidate) is a proud Democrat. lapucelle Dec 2019 #77

I know there has been progress janterry Dec 2019 #69

"The future's not the past?" Really? That's pretty glib... Kahuna7 Dec 2019 #93

No, it's not Biden's fault janterry Dec 2019 #94

*cough cough* progressoid Dec 2019 #23

Yes, He was an outsider like Bernie or Elizabeth once. Embrace evolution, not establishment stasis DemocracyMouse Dec 2019 #110

And a funny thing on the way to the enlightenment: DemocracyMouse Dec 2019 #111

Yeah, I'm glad he's evolving. progressoid Dec 2019 #112

+1 TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #45

+++++++ PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #68

Total BS Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #4

Sorry, but that's complete and utter bullshit. Amimnoch Dec 2019 #5

It's sad that these push backs might win janterry Dec 2019 #9

In the 60s they were called "reactionaries." DemocracyMouse Dec 2019 #24

BS is "establishment" himself.. Cha Dec 2019 #14

And how can someone who's been in Congress for decades The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #72

That's just it.. "a claim" while he Cha Dec 2019 #73

+1 TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #46

I sure would not say sorry. LakeArenal Dec 2019 #56

++++++++++++++ emmaverybo Dec 2019 #102

True. betsuni Dec 2019 #108

No. this is REALITY. the one who is "taking on Cha Dec 2019 #10

The Democratic Presidents that Peacetrain listed... Sloumeau Dec 2019 #17

Why do I get the feeling that some of the Biden supporters... DemocracyMouse Dec 2019 #26

Because you don't know any better. Cha Dec 2019 #30

Every word you write is simply the truth, Cha. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #103

Thank you, emmaverybo.. Cha Dec 2019 #109

. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #48

Actually, all of our careers are benefitting from establishment Democrats... Sloumeau Dec 2019 #50

For that matter, how do we know who pays your bills? You could be a Russian plant for all we... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2019 #65

Why do I get the feeling that some of others supporters Amimnoch Dec 2019 #80

The tear-it-down philosophy also overlooks treestar Dec 2019 #84

+1000000000000000000000000 emmaverybo Dec 2019 #105

Your laud FDR but call bullshit on the candidates who press for Rooseveltian policies. hedda_foil Dec 2019 #85

You wrote the following: Sloumeau Dec 2019 #88

Okay. Perhaps you and have a different understanding of the word "establishment." hedda_foil Dec 2019 #89

It is republicans who are trying PatSeg Dec 2019 #40

+1 TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #49

+1 betsuni Dec 2019 #95

Yes. Yes. Yes. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #106

That's funny, just this morning in a response to me in a different thread, someone was.... George II Dec 2019 #43

Wrong. TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #47

+1000! JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #54

OF COURSE Warren is an establishment Democrat. And yet look how progressive this woman is, pnwmom Dec 2019 #59

Guess what? These are not YOUR 'progressive' ideas nini Dec 2019 #60

This is absolutely ridiculous and not true. Scoopster Dec 2019 #83

If Warren or sanders is the nominee, Texas will not be a battleground state Gothmog Dec 2019 #113

Truman and Kennedy advocated Single Payer. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2019 #3

And still were establishment. -NT Amimnoch Dec 2019 #7

Because they were presidents? Eric J in MN Dec 2019 #13

FDR advocated a Second Bill of Rights Eric J in MN Dec 2019 #11

I would LOVE for that kind of "establishment" to be the actual "status quo" in this country. ehrnst Dec 2019 #12

It is not a purity test it is personal preference. CentralMass Dec 2019 #15

THANK YOU. n/t CousinIT Dec 2019 #18

Are you really comparing where Biden stands with the progressive accomplishments of FDR? Magoo48 Dec 2019 #19

Read it again.. Cha Dec 2019 #21

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #25

If we don't distinguish one Democrat from another during primaries, Magoo48 Dec 2019 #27

Cha. You de bomb. Always great with the answers to bull puckie. LakeArenal Dec 2019 #58

Thanks? lol Cha Dec 2019 #61

Merry whatever LakeArenal Dec 2019 #62

Feliz Navidad, mi amiga! Cha Dec 2019 #64

Having witty comebacks and hitting the fist bump emoji is impressive, Magoo48 Dec 2019 #115

Understanding what the OP says.. is "impressive", too. Cha Dec 2019 #117

Clinton and Obama ran as Progressives brutus smith Dec 2019 #81

And? Cha Dec 2019 #97

And if we want to win we need a progressive candidate, not status quo Joe. brutus smith Dec 2019 #98

Keep your insults about Joe.. there's nothing "status quo" Cha Dec 2019 #99

Not to worry, Joe is NOT going to be the Democratic nominee. Bernie's got this!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #101

+1000 brutus smith Dec 2019 #114

Thank you -- That rhetorical question is much needed. whathehell Dec 2019 #35

DO NOT DIVIDE DEMOCRATS ONE FROM THE OTHER tobefree Dec 2019 #29

Primary competition is NOT divisive Boomer Dec 2019 #31

Except that Sanders' record on this matter disputes your prediction LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #32

Yes.. what LongtimeAZDem said! And, no one Cha Dec 2019 #39

An "Establishment Democrat" of the FDR, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ and whathehell Dec 2019 #33

And as far as I know....they ALL considered the Constitution as a Ferrets are Cool Dec 2019 #36

How are people defining "establishment" here? wnylib Dec 2019 #37

Good point, FDR was not establishment at the time. Quixote1818 Dec 2019 #70

My concern is that we will cannibaluze wnylib Dec 2019 #87

Bottom Line.. Whoever is pushing "them" VS Cha Dec 2019 #38

The Republicans win not only by cheating they win by being united wendyb-NC Dec 2019 #42

"Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line" The Mouth Dec 2019 #79

K&R! nt TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #44

They all had to deal with inherited situations and entrenched interests too bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #51

Here is Pete Seeger calling FDR a corporatist sellout warmonger in a song Recursion Dec 2019 #52

In "The Way We Were," Streisand's character, when she's in college, hates FDR: she's anti-war. betsuni Dec 2019 #96

Sanders really has hit a nerve. Voltaire2 Dec 2019 #53

Yep Sanders really unites Peacetrain Dec 2019 #67

Such a "uniter".. Cha Dec 2019 #74

I am proud to be a member of the Democratic Party Gothmog Dec 2019 #57

I'm a proud liberal Democrat. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #71

This +1 LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #78

Yes he was!.. Peacetrain Dec 2019 #86

"Establishment" is what majority Democrats support and create. Hortensis Dec 2019 #75

It's funny and sad to me to see people immediately jump to a defensive posture at this post Docreed2003 Dec 2019 #76

+1 redqueen Dec 2019 #90

Bernie's only real jobs have been elected positions. He IS the "establishment". LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #82

K&R highplainsdem Dec 2019 #91

warren is as establishment as u can get. nt msongs Dec 2019 #92

FDR? colsohlibgal Dec 2019 #100

Wow. All our D Presidents weren't D's? GemDigger Dec 2019 #104

Truly great post. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2019 #116

"They were forward thinkers..." myohmy2 Dec 2019 #118

...you mean one of those "establishment" Democrats who gets things accomplished?... ehrnst Dec 2019 #119

Established Democrat, Nancy Pelosi, has done miuch more Cha Dec 2019 #120

I like being a member of the Democrtic Party Gothmog Dec 2019 #121