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rgbecker

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Sat Feb 23, 2019, 06:03 PM Feb 2019

Why I'm supporting the wildest, most radical left wing candidate: [View all]

This is why I’m going to support the wildest, most radical left wing candidate that runs for Democratic Nomination for President. MATH!

As this article points out, more eligible voters chose “None of Above” than either Trump or Clinton in 2018.
They stayed home or where ever else they were rather than vote. Maybe it was hard to take the time, maybe they had been squeezed out by GOP efforts to make it hard to register and vote. Probably they didn’t see how either of the two major party candidates were going to make any difference in their lives. Maybe they felt like they didn’t know the issues or no one in their families ever explained the importance of voting.

Whatever the reason it seems to me it would be easier to stimulate a few of these “none of the above” voters to show up than to peel away some of the wackos who voted for Trump and normally vote for the small government, low taxes, pro life, gun nuts courted by the GOP. But even if I’m wrong and the choice was 10% of the former Trump voters or 10% of the “None of the above” voters, off course I would go with bigger number.

Do the Math: 10% of 43.1% (Those who didn’t vote) equals 4.31% vs. 10% of 27% (Trump voters 2016) equals 2.7%.

That’s 4.31% of 231.5 Million or 9.97 Million vs. 2.7% of 231.5 or 6.25 Million. More than 3.72 Million difference. So even if it turns out Trump voters are more likely to turn to the Democrats and it become impossible to stimulate 10% of the non voters, a 3 million margin argues to concentrate on the non voters. Especially if the cost of getting information to each member of either group is the same.

So the question becomes: Which Candidate will stimulate the non voters to suddenly take interest? I propose the most radical candidate will draw in the non voters at a greater rate than repelling the usual Democratic voter. Further, Trump might be rejected by the GOP who are now wondering if hanging onto Trump’s coattails will bring them the same fate as their 2018 mid term losers. A radical candidate will be needed to differentiate from the usual corporate candidates and stimulate the new, young voters and those who feel they have been disenfranchised by the usual choices.

Currently, I’m going with Sanders, who has shown he can bring in new, young voters and those previously uninterested. He has worked to get exposure for his name and policies and he has worked the media so they actually have them on to give his views. No other candidate has done this so far. Sanders has completely turned around the situation from not getting equal coverage in 2016 to now getting more than his fair share.

Will one of the other progressive liberals stimulate the “None of the above” voters like Bernie does after they get more well known? We’ll see and I’m open to getting behind anyone of them if it appears they can do it.

I have no faith that Joe Biden will be able to pull it off and hoping for a centrist to draw off some from the GOP supporters to the Democratic ticket I think is like expecting Trump to suddenly start telling the truth. And if Trump is withdrawn by the GOP, Biden offers very little to those who normally just don’t vote.

What do you think? Don’t bother please with the “He’s not a Democrat”, “He’s grumpy”, “He never showed his tax returns”, “He has no support from the AA community”. Tell me why you think we should spend our money trying to get Trump voters to vote Democratic rather than trying to stimulate more non voters to show up. Tell why your candidate will do better than Sanders at stimulating those non voters.

All the best, RGB

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/10/13587462/trump-election-2016-voter-turnout

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Sanders is my second choice Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #1
Yang seems radical, but without any political (Actual election) experience may be a long shot. rgbecker Feb 2019 #5
If you take a few minutes to look at his web page Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #12
"May be?" BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #91
I like Yang too... though I look forward to having you come aboard the Bernie train InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #101
This is from 2016- lots of things have changed OKNancy Feb 2019 #2
I can't wait to see if Kamala can ring the bells like Bernie. rgbecker Feb 2019 #7
Well. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #52
A lot of Bernie voters end up with sour grapes forklift Mar 2019 #67
He is a front runner Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #69
He indeed is -- on DailyKOS forklift Mar 2019 #70
He is the one to beat Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #72
mmmmmmmkay nt forklift Mar 2019 #73
Based on past elections, not so much. 12% of Sander-tRump voters in 2016 vs 24% Hillary-McCain CentralMass Jul 2019 #151
How do you get away with calling Democrats "corporate candidates"? CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #3
As I recall, 'corporate democrat', was a divisive russian troll tag empedocles Feb 2019 #4
I think it was "She's not likeable". rgbecker Feb 2019 #9
One is accurate. The other is not. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #90
Honestly I find those dying without health care to be soooooo tiresome ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #6
Too bad the Democrat who brought healthcare to millions of poor children... CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #8
and to top it off, just enough self-identifed progressives refused to vote for the Democratic still_one Mar 2019 #51
I'm sure it sticks in your craw, as much as it does in mine... CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #53
Yes. The irony, or perhaps hypocrisy is all too obvious still_one Mar 2019 #63
A form of Medicare for All has been "common" amongst Democrats since 1943. George II Feb 2019 #20
Medicare didn't exist until 1966 Omaha Steve Mar 2019 #46
I realize that, but a "form" of Medicare for all has been proposed since 1943. George II Mar 2019 #47
The proposals for universal medical coverage started during the Truman Blue_true Mar 2019 #48
Answer for deaths? What about the lives saved while we waited for Sanders to save us? dawg day Mar 2019 #60
We have a candidate whose "gaffe" was to whisper "This is a BFD" to his president... Hekate Jun 2019 #147
For one of course I supported Clinton in 2016 ZeroSomeBrains Jun 2019 #148
Actually never called any Democrat a "Corporate candidate". rgbecker Feb 2019 #10
You have just succeeded in doubling down on the offense. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #11
There is a cold harsh reality to money and politics these days, CentralMass Jul 2019 #152
You really should stop now leftofcool Feb 2019 #22
Saying any MFM008 Mar 2019 #65
They called themselves that before deciding on the name Democratic leadership Conference. (DLC) hedda_foil Feb 2019 #13
And then there's the Third Way and the coffee shop guy! rgbecker Feb 2019 #15
That's them alright! hedda_foil Feb 2019 #23
No. Never. Nt. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #14
Not. Very. Helpful. rgbecker Feb 2019 #16
Well he just appointed a never Clinton Stein supporter. Adrahil Feb 2019 #17
Can't be detailed here. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #18
Maybe not here but it is all out there in other places leftofcool Feb 2019 #21
I think it's entirely possible that Sanders himself doesn't think he can win. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author Kajun Gal Feb 2019 #29
Would be against the rules to make such a statement. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #30
Thank you. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #55
Even if he becomes the nominee? If so, then I agree that isn't helpful at all. Sapient Donkey May 2019 #132
Out of respect for the terms of service, Amimnoch May 2019 #133
Well, I think you basically did answer. Sapient Donkey May 2019 #134
No thanks leftofcool Feb 2019 #19
LOL - I thought you were going to say Beto O'Rourke Chemisse Feb 2019 #25
I'm eagar to hear more from Beto. His talk about "Taking a knee" was moving for me. rgbecker Feb 2019 #34
Biden-Harris louis c Feb 2019 #26
Good Post Horizens Feb 2019 #27
Right, and it's damned early to 'think' at all. elleng Feb 2019 #28
Wouldn't it be great if we could pick a team of President and Vice President? rgbecker Feb 2019 #35
Bernie needs to balance his ticket by picking a life long Democrat louis c Feb 2019 #42
46% in the Florida exit poll said Andrew Gillum was too liberal for the state Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #31
I liked Gillum radical noodle Mar 2019 #61
I strongly disagree with this approach Gothmog Feb 2019 #32
Has sanders released his tax returns? Gothmog Feb 2019 #33
I wonder if after Bernie releases his tax return people will have anything to bitch about. rgbecker Feb 2019 #36
He promised the tax returns last time and he never came though. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #38
You left out "He's too Grumpy!" rgbecker Feb 2019 #40
Goes without saying. LOL. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #41
It so sad you aren't here to discuss Bernie's taxes. You came close though, you almost made it Autumn Apr 2019 #112
I live in one of the Super Tuesday states susanr516 Mar 2019 #62
Wanting him to release his tax returns is entirely reasonable. Eko Mar 2019 #78
I agree, along with the other 4 or 5 running who have not released theirs yet. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #103
Well then Eko Apr 2019 #104
Yes, we do. I am getting tired of Bernie not showing his taxes. I still support him, but vsrazdem Apr 2019 #105
He will at some point I think. Eko Apr 2019 #106
I agree, but the sooner the better. Primaries are not birthday parties, so there is bound to be vsrazdem Apr 2019 #107
News said he just released them. Eko Apr 2019 #108
Thank goodness. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #109
"Which Candidate will stimulate the non voters to suddenly take interest?" brooklynite Feb 2019 #37
Don't bother asking what I think if you are just gonna tell me what not to say. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #39
Bingo Bingo Bingo! sheshe2 Mar 2019 #56
A campaign focused on turning out those who never turn out... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #43
Charlie Cook-The 2020 Path Democrats Shouldn't Take Gothmog Mar 2019 #44
If the Democrats hand the GOP the Socialist label to hammer on we are in trouble. rgbecker Mar 2019 #45
Good point. But we have no leader and no media savvy. Repetitious propaganda Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #50
Here's what matters..what state those "none of the above" are from. If they are from WI MI and PA Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #49
I've said it a thousand times. Scruffy1 Mar 2019 #54
Bernie has the 30 and under vote on lockdown workinclasszero Mar 2019 #57
Nah. Beto is going to take all the youth vote. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #64
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #58
The gettable votes are in the middle brooklynite Mar 2019 #59
Do you think Clinton voters wouldn't support Sanders over Trump? rgbecker Mar 2019 #75
I was using that as an analogy... brooklynite Mar 2019 #81
Another pro-Bernie screed forklift Mar 2019 #66
Where are those tax returns ? forklift Mar 2019 #68
Why hold back? rgbecker Mar 2019 #76
... forklift Mar 2019 #77
This! TexasBushwhacker Mar 2019 #71
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #74
Guessing it's because you 're searching for a candidate who has Hortensis Mar 2019 #79
I see you are "Undecided". rgbecker Mar 2019 #80
Biden / Hickenlooper / Bullock brooklynite Mar 2019 #82
Opinion: The myth of ideology, and why Democrats' energy isn't all on the left Gothmog Mar 2019 #83
I'm excited about Beto too! The picture shows him younger than I thought, though. rgbecker Mar 2019 #84
If the economy is strong, trump can win Gothmog Mar 2019 #85
Pakman is saying exactly what I'm saying. rgbecker Mar 2019 #86
sanders is not electable and would depress turnout Gothmog Mar 2019 #87
I talked about "infighting" in another post..So, the proof is right here right now. Stuart G Mar 2019 #88
Donald Trump has a plan to win re-election with just 45 percent of the vote Gothmog Mar 2019 #89
I guess I'm fucking wired differently or something Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #92
I'm sure most on the DU will vote and always have. rgbecker Mar 2019 #93
Bullshit. Actual elections, not polls or opinions, have shown that actual voters... TreasonousBastard Mar 2019 #94
Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence Gothmog Apr 2019 #95
I'm dying here waiting to see who you come out for. rgbecker Apr 2019 #96
Electability is my main criterion Gothmog Apr 2019 #97
Messina Says Sanders Can't Beat Trump Gothmog Apr 2019 #114
So Biden then???? rgbecker Apr 2019 #115
Harris, Booker and Beto are also viable Gothmog Apr 2019 #116
If sanders is the nominee, trump wins Gothmog Apr 2019 #98
I supported him last time artislife Apr 2019 #99
According to this study trump could win Gothmog Apr 2019 #100
Thanks for posting this article. rgbecker Apr 2019 #102
According to Jim Messina, trump will beat sanders easily Gothmog Apr 2019 #110
Trump is chomping at the bits BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #111
trump Shows That He Is Totally Terrified Of Joe Biden Gothmog Apr 2019 #113
Nate Silver- Sanders Can Win, But He Isn't Polling Like A Favorite Gothmog Apr 2019 #117
I guess your worries are over. He doesn't have a chance of being the Democratic Candidate. rgbecker Apr 2019 #118
Candidates in Bernie Sanders's polling position mostly lost. Gothmog Apr 2019 #119
I have a good number of candidates who I am considering Gothmog Apr 2019 #120
Bernie is hoping for a brokered convention. Gothmog Apr 2019 #121
I'd like to see some link indicating that rgbecker Apr 2019 #122
The Atlantic article is from the sanders campaign Gothmog Apr 2019 #123
Sorry, doesn't even mention "hope". rgbecker Apr 2019 #124
Nate is right that there is no way for sanders to get majority of delegates with 30% of primary vote Gothmog Apr 2019 #125
The choice is Woke or Win Gothmog Apr 2019 #126
Could be the issue will change as the GOP comtemplates Trump's chances in 2020. rgbecker Apr 2019 #127
Washington Post-Opinion: If the economy keeps its momentum, 2020 will be Trump's to lose Gothmog May 2019 #128
Gas will be $4 a gallon in 2020. rgbecker May 2019 #129
Very interesting post. I think it's the best argument I've heard for Bernie Sanders yet. mtnsnake May 2019 #130
Thanks mtnsnake! rgbecker May 2019 #131
Most Believe Socialism Is Not American Gothmog May 2019 #135
Thanks for the encouragement. rgbecker May 2019 #136
Washington Post-Opinion: Voters aren't playing along with the media narrative Gothmog May 2019 #137
Gallop-Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President Gothmog May 2019 #138
I guess Bernie will have to settle for 47%! rgbecker May 2019 #139
The GOP has large oppo file and would use this and other material if sanders was nominee Gothmog May 2019 #140
Bernie's mystery Soviet tapes revealed Gothmog May 2019 #141
New CNN poll: A majority of Americans say they think President Trump is going to win a second term Gothmog Jun 2019 #142
You might enjoy this: rgbecker Jun 2019 #143
From the Washington Post-The GOP is giddy about running against a socialist Gothmog Jun 2019 #144
It's all over for Bernie nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #145
New poll: Capitalism is more popular than socialism Gothmog Jun 2019 #146
He was a deadbeat dad who supported Communist dictators; he would be shredded in a general election LongtimeAZDem Jun 2019 #149
Analysis How Trump wins in 2020: Americans see his opponent as a "socialist" Gothmog Jul 2019 #150
Why Elizabeth Warren Is Trump's Weakest Opponent Gothmog Aug 2019 #153
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