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And let the Crew Christie Presidental Campaign screwups begin!

1. His campaign launch draws as many supporters as protestors:

North Jersey.com: Governor Christie launched his long-awaited presidential campaign Tuesday...(before) a crowd of about 1,000 inside Livingston High School, his alma mater...

North Jersey.com: More than a thousand demonstrators - mostly dressed in red and carrying banners and signs - congregated on the front lawn outside Livingston High School Tuesday morning to protest Governor Christie announcing his presidential bid...

2. He uses campaign music by someone who's supporting a candidate from the opposing party:

Asbury Park Press: Christie, who announced his candidacy for president at Livingston High School on Tuesday, June 30, walked to the school's podium to We Weren't Born to Follow. After the announcement, the rocker's Have A Nice Day and Who Says You Can't Go Home were played as exit music...

Asbury Park Press: Hillary Clinton attended a fundraiser hosted by Jon Bon Jovi at the Molly Pitcher Inn (June 30)...which donors...attend(ed) for campaign donations...Attendees tweeted from the event, including photos of Clinton speaking and Bon Jovi playing guitar...

3. He Gets a "Not From The Onion" award from the New York Times:

With two pillars of his presidential run — his record and his judgment — looking wobblier than ever, Mr. Christie must build a campaign around his most raw and prodigious asset: his personality...

But shouldn't that be "his personality DEFECTS"? Anyway, we're off the the races!


Christie's House of (Race) Cards

Wonderful news -- it looks like Christie has had a major breakthrough on race relations and discrimination!

Recently, I posted here that Christie's call for a dialogue about racism had fallen on the wrong ears:

Shouldn't Christie have told the whites that not looking racism in the eye is the root the problem, and the blacks that adhering to their love and faith was at the root of the solution?...Too bad Christie's not enough of a leader to point out to white people that racist hate by white people does exist...

Well, someone or something must have gotten through to him, because four days ago, Christie repeated his call for a dialogue on race to all of New Jersey on his monthly radio show!

Chris Christie, NJ101.5 Radio, 6/25/15, (27:00): ...I think that the way you go about trying to fix this problem is for the leaders in this country -- and not just elected leaders, religious leaders, community leaders -- need to start having these conversations on a regular basis in our communities. And we need to call out the people who are not conducting themselves in a way that is not respectful of others and in fact borders on being racist. We can't ignore it, we can't make excuses for it; we have to call it out...

I think the way to do this is for folks of all colors (to be) interacting with each other and standing up for the people who are the victims of this kind of conduct...I think what fuels the emotion on both sides is fear of violence...rejection...I think so much of this hate comes from fear...of the differences between us.

Bravo, Governor!!!

Well, if I'm going criticize Christie every time he commits a "crime," it's only fair that I point it out when he gets it right, right? (Fortunately, doing either one or the other gives me pleasure, LOL!) The point is, he's come a long way, baby, when it comes to thinking about fighting discrimination:

The Grio.com, January 2012: New Jersey Governor Chris Christie says the turmoil of the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s could have been avoided had states simply put African-Americans’ rights and integration to a vote. "People would have been happy to have referendum on civil rights rather than fighting and dying in the streets in the South," (he) said...

Christie was comparing the civil rights movement to the fight for same-sex marriage, calling for a referendum on gay marriage in New Jersey...(He) says he’ll veto a Democratic measure legalizing gay marriages, but a public vote on the matter would be fine with him.

He got drawn and quartered for that, and rightfully so:

New Jersey Newsroom, January 2012: The comment that the civil rights movement of the 1960s could have been settled through a national or southern states voter referendum stunned Assembly Speaker Sheila Y. Oliver who became the first African-American woman to head the lower house in 2010. “Gov. Christie better sit down with some of New Jersey’s great teachers for a history lesson...It’s unfathomable to even suggest a referendum would have been the better course. Governor, people were fighting and dying in the streets of the South...because the majority refused to grant minorities equal rights by any method...The governor’s comment is an insult to those who had no choice but to fight and die in the streets..."

“It’s difficult to understand what the governor was thinking,” Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson Coleman...said. “...(C)an you imagine the outcome if civil rights in this country, during this very racially charged time in our history, had been left up to a vote?...If the governor was hoping to defend his reprehensible stance on marriage equality by suggesting that those who fought and died for civil rights...would have preferred a referendum -- that by all historical accounts would have been most likely defeated -- he failed miserably.”

Assemblyman John Wisniewski, the state Democratic chairman, said, "Rosa Parks didn't get to the front of the bus through a ballot question, and Jim Crow laws weren't repealed by public referendum...To call for a public referendum on any civil right is the refuge of someone who refuses to lead...Governor Christie has an opportunity to leave a mark in history as a someone who, when the beacon of civil rights called his name, stood up to be counted among the leaders...My hope is that he finds the courage to take up the challenge and joins in the great American tradition of fighting to expand our civil rights and for justice."

Yeah, but that was three and half years ago. Civil rights as popularity contests has always been a stock item in the right wing ideological inventory. The important thing is that Christie's thinking has obviously evolved since then.

Huffington Post, October 2013: Gov. Chris Christie's administration...submitted a formal withdrawal (of) his appeal...of a judge's recent ruling in favor of gay marriage in New Jersey to the state Supreme Court...

Christie's administration says he strongly disagrees with the court substituting its judgment "for the constitutional process of the elected branches or a vote of the people." But he says the Supreme Court was clearly going to favor same-sex marriage and that he has a constitutional duty to enforce the law...

Yeah, but that was nearly two years ago. In deciding he'd reached his Waterloo and withdrawing his appeal, he was no doubt feeling discouraged and defeated and bitter, even though the withdrawal probably had more to do with not wanting to be seen as gambling on a sure loser. The important thing is that Christie's thinking has obviously evolved since then.

Asbury Park Press, June 2015: Gov. Chris Christie (is)...not happy with the Supreme Court ruling that makes same-sex marriage legal nationwide. (He) said he believes it was a matter for each state to decide, not the courts..."I don't agree with the way it was done...This is something that should be decided by the people...(F)ive lawyers get to impose it under our system."

Yeah, but that was three days ago...


Christie's latest power failure: Another storm, another self-serving response

Did you know that Southern New Jersey was devastated by Sandy-like storms and damage on June 23rd?

NJ.com: The threat of severe weather was known for several days across New Jersey, prompting concern from forecasters who warned the state would become a pressure cooker for dangerous conditions...

While...North Jersey residents woke up to the hum of air-conditioners and cooled homes...much of the southern half of the state awoke to stuffy, dark houses. A commuter in Morristown might check the traffic report, while another in Deptford may be wondering how to get their overturned car out of the mall parking lot.

Hundreds of thousands lost power. Massive trees were uprooted and brought down on homes and across roads. Lawn furniture was tossed like feathers, and parts of buildings were ripped apart and strewn into streets and parking lots...(D)amage to the property and power grid could rival the derecho of 2012, which devastated the southern half of the state months before Hurricane Sandy...

Well, don't feel too bad -- apparently Chris Christie didn't, either:

NJ.com: Gov. Chris Christie said (June 26) that at least 90 percent of...the several hundreds of thousands of people whose lights went dark earlier this week...during New Jersey's recent storms should have their lights on by Friday night. Christie also explained why he hasn't declared an emergency for areas of South Jersey hit hard by the weather.

"Right now what's happening is FEMA is on the ground with the Office of Emergency Management of the State Police and they are assessing the damage level. You don't need a state of emergency declaration in order to get federal funds if you need a certain threshold and if there's anything that a state of emergency declaration would do to enhance our ability to get more help more quickly, I'd be happy to do that," Christie said...

[font size="+1"]And if you're planning to announce your run for president and will be traveling heavily afterwards, the last thing you need is a federal state of emergency declaration, as it would probably interfere with your getting the kind of national headlines you want![/font]

The (June 24) news cycle made a couple things pretty clear to anyone who was paying attention: Gov. Chris Christie plans to officially announce he's running for president next week...The news day started with a local media outlet breaking news of Christie's upcoming announcement, scheduled for (June 30) at Livingston High School...Spokespeople for the governor's office and those tied to his 2016 political action committee refused to provide comment on the story. The spokespeople maintained their silence throughout the day (June 25).

Well, that's fine with me: as of June 25, Christie had something more important to worry about -- nearly half a million affected by a storm in South Jersey! Well, later that day...

NJ.com: The governor showed up to a 101.5FM's studio for his monthly "Ask the Governor" radio show. While working inside the building, Christie brushes off reporters about the day's news..."There's been absolutely no final decision made by me."

(O)nce on the air...Christie said..."I haven't made a decision. Let's everybody remain calm." (But) NJ Advance Media reported (that) the interim superintendent of the school district (where) Christie plans to make the announcement...spoke with...the governor's brother on (June 24), and (also said) an advance crew has already been to the school...Livingston school officials say they were told to be ready...for Christie to be at the high school on (June 30). "They asked us not to say anything," said...the superintendent.

The governor was asked about how he could be so adamant about not making up his mind when his brother was talking to school officials about details of an announcement when he left the New Jersey radio station..."I have absolutely no idea what the school superintendent is talking about," Christie said...

And what did he have to say about the storm and his response to it? Well, I listened to the entire June 25 Ask The Governor radio show: What should have been the lead subject wasn't mentioned for 30 minutes, and he just repeated his tale about no need to declare a state of emergency since the estimated damages automatically qualified the area for federal aid. He makes it sound like the lights went out for a couple hours in a couple of neighborhoods -- cars were overturned!!! He offered no info on shelters, no helpline numbers, not even an invitation to call the station if you were still in dire straits. Has he even toured the area?

Imagine if he'd stated on the radio show that his presidential plans (such as they are) were off the table until both the budget AND the aftermath of the storm were under control, then enthusiastically explained how he was going to get 'em done. Being able refer to the great job he'd done after hurricane Sandy would have been helpful, of course. But the point is, it would have made him sound so much more -- well, presidential!


The Charleston Shooter: Is He Or Isn't He?

Let's get this straightened out once and for all: Did Dylan Roof commit an act of domestic terrorism, or did he not?

First things first: let's all get on the same page in terms of exactly what domestic terrorism IS. Okay then -- according to the Cornell University Legal Information Institute:

U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions

(5) The term “domestic terrorism” means activities that:

(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

(B) appear to be intended to:
(i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Now, let's look at the evidence available to us:

Daily Beast: Joseph Meek Jr...(a) best friend (in) middle school...says Roof had begun ranting about the murders of Trayvon Martin and Freddie Gray...“He said blacks were taking over the world. Someone needed to do something about it for the white race,” Meek said. “He said he wanted segregation between whites and blacks. I said, ‘That’s not the way it should be.’ But he kept talking about it.”

...Roommate Dalton Tyler told ABC News that Roof was “planning something like that for six months...He was big into segregation and other stuff...He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself."

Christon Scriven, a friend...who is black...told the New York Daily News...“He flat out told us he was going to do this stuff...He was looking to kill a bunch of people.” He and their other friends assumed he had been joking. “He’s weird. You don’t know when to take him seriously and when not to,” he said.

Roof's Last Rhodesian.com Manifesto: ...(T)he Trayvon Martin case...prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first Web site I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens...

I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

NBC News: The female survivor told Johnson that the gunman reloaded five different times..."You rape our women, and you're taking over our country. And you have to go," the shooter told the group, according to the survivor's account to Johnson.

The Guardian: Dylann Storm Roof...has reportedly confessed to carrying out the shootings at Emanuel AME church on Tuesday night...According to...CNN...(T)he 21-year-old...said that his motive had been that he wanted to start a race war...

Our next order of business is to determine if Roof's actions fit the legal definition of domestic terrorism -- did they:

Involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State? Yes -- shooting people is considered a violation of criminal laws in the United States, including the state of South Carolina.

Appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population? Yes -- his writings and the statements he made to his friends, his very victims, and law enforcement strongly suggest that he intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population.

Appear to be intended to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion by assassination? Yes -- declaring a civil war on part of the civilian population is certainly a vote of no confidence in government policy.

Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States? Yes -- they occurred in the United State of South Carolina.

All that's left do now is determine what part of the civilian population Roof was trying to coerce or intimidate. Well, by his own admissions, Roof intentionally traveled to a place that he knew would contain a lot of black people, and shot nine of them because they were black and he wanted to start a race war against blacks. So his act of domestic terrorism must have been based on race, and the black race in particular -- right?

NY Daily News: South Carolina...(m)agistrate James “Skip” Gosnell, Jr...announced in the courtroom packed with the victims’ anguished relatives:

“There are victims on this young man’s side of the family...Nobody would have ever thrown them into the whirlwind of events that they are being thrown into...We must find it in our heart at some point in time not only to help those that are victims but to also help his family as well.” Gosnell’s...statement — which was aired live on cable news — drew the wrath of hordes of furious social media users...

Daily Kos: ...Charles Cotton...of the National Rifle Association...decided to weigh in with his own explanation of who was really to blame for this horrific act of domestic terrorism: One of the murder victims...State Senator Clementa Pinckney..."voted against concealed-carry. Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead. Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue."

Right Wing Watch: Texas Gov. Rick Perry described the mass shooting at an African American church in Charleston earlier this week as an “accident” that was possibly caused by the over-prescription of medication...

Instead of talking about guns, Perry said, we should be talking about prescription drugs: "It seems to me, again without having all the details about this, that these individuals have been medicated and there may be a real issue in this country from the standpoint of these drugs and how they’re used.”

He added that while the shooting was “a crime of hate,” he didn’t know if it should be called a terrorist attack...

Business Insider: Reached for comment, a Perry communications adviser wrote in an email..."When watching the entire interview, it's clear from the context of his comments that Governor Perry meant incident."

Addicting Info: During a radio interview...Rick Santorum claimed that...Roof chose his victims “indiscriminately.”

“It’s obviously a crime of hate. We don’t know the rationale, but what other rationale could there be?...(Y)ou talk about the importance of prayer at this time, and we’re now seeing assaults on religious liberty we’ve never seen before..."

MediaMatters: Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy stated that it was extraordinary the massacre was being labeled a hate crime, positing, "It was a church, so maybe that's what they're talking about" and citing "hostility towards Christians."

Guest Bishop E. W. Jackson agreed that "most people jump to conclusions about race," and that "we don't know why he went into a church, but he didn't choose a "bar" or "basketball court."

Later, frequent Fox guest and former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani theorized that "we don't know the motivation of the person who did this," saying "maybe he hates Christian churches."

And later that day on Fox News Radio, Brian Kilmeade speculated that maybe the shooter "hates Christian churches" or possibly just the state of South Carolina.

NJ.com: "It's an awful tragedy anytime that somebody would walk in and participate in a prayer service for an hour and then get up and shoot the people you have been praying with? That's obviously a pretty depraved person," Chris Christie said...

Huffington Post: "It was a horrific act and I don't know what the background of it is, but it was an act of hatred," Jeb Bush said.

Asked again whether the shooting was because of race, Bush added, "I don't know. Looks like to me it was, but we'll find out all the information. It's clear it was an act of raw hatred, for sure. Nine people lost their lives, and they were African-American. You can judge what it is."

DU-er Yuiyoshida (via Twitter and the Huffington Post):


Wow -- I almost blew it, and I certainly owe Mr. Roof an apology. There I was, all set to brand him as a race-based domestic terrorist just because he admitted that he was trying to start a race war against blacks! Not once did I consider that Root might have been trying to intimidate or coerce the civilian populations of the religious in general, Christians in particular, the pharmaceutical industry, gun control advocates, or even his own relatives.

Roof told his acquaintances he wanted to start a race war against blacks; he told his victims he was murdering them because they were black; he confessed to law enforcement that he'd tried start a race war against blacks, and how do I thank him? With irresponsible speculating and baseless conclusions!


Gloom, Despair, Agony: The Mastro Report is Gone

NJ Spotlight.com: “It seemed crazy to me to do what they did,” Robert Del Tufo, a former New Jersey...and U.S. Attorney, said of Christie’s...internal investigation. “They spent over a million dollars of taxpayer money. It’s unusual in an internal investigation not to take down transcripts of what people said, and presumably they just summarized things so they could put a slant on what people said."

...Del Tufo...believed the interview memos “implicitly would be public information paid for with public funds...I think investigators could get the memos with a subpoena.”

I was going to add that to my previous post. But when I clicked on the article's link to the Gibson Dunn Bridge(t)Gate "Mastro" report at GDCreport.com, this is what came up:

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It's gone -- the ENTIRE Mastro report is GONE from GDCreport.com! The cover letter Gibson sent to Christie -- GONE! The executive summary minus the recommendations -- GONE! The interviews with nearly six dozen of Christie's best friends that made this DU thread possible -- GONE! All 360 pages of the report itself -- GONE!

Well, I hope all you haters are happy -- maybe now you'll face the truth instead of believing all this nonsense about Gibson Dunn getting 7 million dollars of taxpayer money from Christie (minus what was "donated" to his Republican Governors Association). Apparently, the law firm of Gibson Dunn Cutcher is actually so broke they can't even afford keep their web URL names renewed. But what are we supposed to do now -- especially now that the report may become a key component in the trials of Kelly and Baroni that are tentatively scheduled for mid-November?

Since there was absolutely no reason to believe that the Mastro reports might unceremoniously disappear one day (especially since it was financed with taxpayer money), I guess there's nothing we can do...except regret that someone didn't have the foresight to download them first...and have a place where they could be uploaded, too!


TRANSLATION: "I've lost my leverage, so I'm getting out of Dodge

before the fecal matter makes a close encounter with the oscillating air circulation mechanism."

I wonder if it has to do anything to do with John Oliver's followup look at FIFA:

That's what he gets for taking advice from Chris Christie!


Shades of Rep. Mark Foley?

Ocotber 2006:

(PDF): The Sexually Explicit Internet Messages That Led to Fla. Rep. Foley's Resignation

Hastert afraid to report Foley for fear of being seen as homophobic

Hastert Fights to Save His Job in Page Scandal

AP has a list of Repuke "excuses" for Foley's not being fired earlier

GOP House leaders call for criminal investigation of Foley

Posted by Rocktivity:

10/1/2006: ...(Rocktivity) calls for criminal investigation of GOP House leaders since at least two of them can charged as acessories. There is now also a matter of a six-figure contribution Foley made to one of the leaders who was told about the e-mails--hush money?

10/4/2006: I want to see when Foley gave Reynold's comittee $100,000, though I've also heard it could be as high as $350,000. Are such amounts normal?


He simply has his medical procedures mixed up, that's all

Colonoscopy A test that allows your doctor to look at the inner lining of your large intestine (rectum and colon)...(H)elps find ulcers, colon polyps, tumors, and areas of inflammation or bleeding...(T)issue samples can be collected (biopsy) and abnormal growths can be taken out. (It) can also be used as a screening test to check for cancer or precancerous growths in the colon or rectum (polyps).

Laparoscopy: a surgery that uses a thin, lighted tube put through a cut (incision) in the belly to look at the abdominal organs or the female pelvic organs. Laparoscopy is used to find problems such as cysts, adhesions, fibroids , and infection. Tissue samples can be taken for biopsy through the tube (laparoscope).

Frist-oscopy: a diagnosis made by a doctor outside his area of expertise by viewing a four-month-old video.

GOP-oscopy: A camera built into a vaginal probe determines if a fetus is present in order to intimidate women out of seeking abortions. Fulfills the federal definition of rape:

“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.



Queen Bey(once) Stings Selma Movie Soundtrack Singer

Billboard: Queen B closed out the Grammys with Take My Hand Precious Lord, but the performance sparked drama when fans were upset that R&B vocalist Ledisi was not chosen to sing the same hymn she recorded for (the movie) Selma, (in which) Ledisi portrayed the late soul singer Mahalia Jackson...

Entertainment Tonight's Kevin Frazier asked Ledisi about the drama on the Grammys red carpet...(T)he singer responded, "I don't have a clue...Take My Hand Precious Lord...started with the queen Mahalia, the queen of soul Aretha Franklin, then I was able to portray and sing my version of the song and now we have Beyonce. Her generation will now know the song so I'm a part of history. I look it at like that instead of looking at it as a negative."

Frazier also asked John Legend how Beyonce was selected to open his performance with Common for the Oscar-nominated song Glory..."We were actually approached by Beyonce," Legend told Frazier. "She wanted to do an intro to our performance and introduce us. You don't really say no to Beyonce if she asks to perform with you."

Ledisi coincidentally lost to Beyonce in the Best R&B Performance category. (She) took the award for Drunk in Love over Ledisi's track Like This...

Unless Ledisi struck a deal to sing at the Oscars on Feb. 22, she got stung big time. But it all depends on whose idea was it to do a MLK/Selma tribute to begin with. I'm betting it was the Grammy people, simply because it makes sense -- and because inviting Ledisi as well as John Legend and Common (all Grammy nominees, but not for Selma) makes sense, too. But Beyonce threw a monkey wrench into the timeline, and not "coincidentally."

Forcing herself on Legend (and forcing Ledisi out) solved several problems for Queen Bey simultaneously:

1) She could join Katy Perry in presenting a more sedate stage image in the face of Obama's message to change the culture away from sexual exploitation and violence. They both wore long white dresses and stood still, in stark contrast to what they did at last years' Grammies:

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2) She was nominated for two Grammies for her song Drunk In Love, which not only undermined Obama's message, but which she performed at last year's Grammies. I guess she felt that re-performing it with entirely new staging wasn't a viable option.

3) It would show that she could be more than a half-naked Madonna clone. Lady Gaga won a Grammy for singing with Tony Bennett -- why couldn't she win one for singing with Jessye Norman someday?

4) An online cottage industry has arisen on the premise that she and her husband are practicing satanists (I like to call it the Illumin-Nutty). Performance of a gospel song would surely put a dent in that.

But there's a problem that both Beyonce and the Grammies overlooked: 5) She and Ledisi were competing for a Grammy, which Beyonce won. That raises the possibility of a quid pro quo -- which is why the Grammies should have insisted that either Leisidi remain involved, or Beyonce choose another song.

So here's how I think it went down: Grammies invite Legend/Common and Ledisi to do a Selma/MLK tribute, Beyonce invites herself to be part of the tribute, Grammies dis-invite Ledisi.

And now for the benediction: Ledisi's version of the song from the Selma album:

She sings it a capella? That suggests another possible problem for Beyonce: 6) Maybe she was either just plain jealous, worried about being out-sung, or both!


DING DING DING -- Fuzzy Slipper, you're our grand prize winner!

Now that takes some real guts. To come out against sexual assault? On a show featuring rap and hip-hop?

Yeah, doesn't he realize that contributing to a culture that abhors sexual exploitation/intimidation and is based on merit/talent would put most of those Grammy performers out of business?

On the other hand, it might explain this review:

Meanwhile, even if Kanye was having a blast, the rest of the show featured a surprising amount of very serious performances. Everything — from Usher’s tribute to Stevie Wonder to Katy Perry’s song dedicated to a survivor of domestic violence — led to an incredibly somber night. Beyoncé closed out the show with “Take My Hand Precious Lord” (introducing John Legend and Common’s “Glory”) as a group of background performers held up their hands in a “hands up, don’t shoot” image.

It seems like only a year ago that Obama White House guest Beyonce and Katy were carrying on like this at the Grammies...oh, wait -- it WAS only a year ago:


P.S: "You didn't like my lip-synched, auto-tuned matator ripoff? Well, there wouldn't BE a Beyonce, Taylor, or Katy if there hadn't been a Madonna -- so you can kiss my 56-year old ass!"

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