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If they're hawks, then do THEY plan to suit up and go over there themselves?

I'm telling any such folks I run across - "okay fine, then. YOU FIRST!"

Well, what I'd say then is - "okay, fine, then! YOU GUYS GO FIRST!!!!"

And we'll be safely behind you - here at home where it's safe. You guys go out and play Rambo all you want. Put YOUR asses on the line first. "...and then we'll see." That's what they kept telling us during the Iraq War - every time they insisted on "giving it another six months." "We're gonna give it another six months, and then we'll see." And we were "another six months'd" for six YEARS.

I think dickie and georgie and their girlfriend contradicta, and wolfie and scootie and dougie - and all their little war-hawk friends who never served, never paid the price, never volunteered to go into harm's way, never got their hands dirty, never put their asses on the line for their country, never saw combat - hell, they never even got close! - and in only rare instances even wore their country's uniform for awhile - should suit up and go. Rummy actually did serve, under the most ideal and no-muss/no-fuss conditions - after Korea, safely BETWEEN wars, and of course georgie-poo lounged through the Vietnam experience in the "champagne squadron, keeping the skies of Texas safe from the Commies, when he wasn't busy skipping out, drinking and snorting and partying all night, and getting his teeth fixed during regular business hours. THEY should all be first in line. First to suit up and put their money where their mouths are, and GO OVER THERE AND GET IT ON. If they want their damn wars so much, THEY should be first to suit up and go fight. THEN I might be interested in hearing what they have to say about how urgent it is to put your life on the line for your country in some shit-ass sniper- and IED-infested desert somewhere.

Hey, PNACers, YOU FIRST. That means YOU, bill kristol. That means YOU, frank gaffney. That means YOU, jebbie-boy. That means YOU, kagan. And all your little saber-rattling friends who wanted to sit home in nice cushy air-conditioned TV studios and opine about the urgency of going to war - while everybody else's kids and well-meaning national guard and reserves members were sent off to do the dirty work. That means YOU george will. That means YOU charles krauthammer (don't care that you're in a wheelchair. Since you want war so damn bad, then YOU wheel YOUR ass out there, too. Perhaps YOU would be most uniquely qualified to understand the plight of the wounded and disabled soldiers).

Sorry to be so harsh and cold about this. But it seems to me that if we had more of this - those most ardently rattling sabers to get us into war, I think, SHOULD be first to suit up and get their asses out there on the front lines and lead the way. If we had THAT principle in operation, then maybe we wouldn't find ourselves mired in as many wars in the first place! Get some skin in the game, chickenhawks! Especially when you had the chance when you were younger and you managed to weasel out of it like Mr "Five Deferments" cheney famously did. Well, regardless, that bill's still there to be paid, and since student loans still stand whether there's bankruptcy or not, YOUR unpaid bill still stands, too.

Well, most of 'em are chickenhawks anyway, so all they know how to do is talk tough.

They know nothing about anything else. It's a simplistic, low-on-the-evolutionary-scale, lizard-brain types who resort to bullying and smashing - first (and usually exclusively). Talking, negotiating, reasoning it out, using logic and other higher-brain less-Troglodyte functions - well, that must just be for sissies, 'eh?

Yes. It is. I suspect that kind of thought is running through many minds this weekend.

All the "what if" imaginings - what if he'd been given that honorary degree instead of having that ceremony cancelled. What if he had blown off Texas that day, or if maybe they'd just been held up a few minutes to clear traffic somewhere, or ...

Can't help it. I find myself gravitating toward those thoughts quite frequently. Can't help but wonder what this country - and yes, the world, too - would be like if he'd lived.

He should be in jail. OR out on the front lines somewhere - to learn what REAL combat is like.

I would wish that for every chickenhawk in America. They yell for us all to go to war. I yell back - "YOU FIRST!!!"

This is a sigh of relief to all of us who don't believe in war as the first and/or only answer.

And I just hate to see the precious lives of our military - squandered in hair-brained PNAC pipe-dreams.

Welcome to DU, WowSeriously!

Glad you're here! Love these ideas! That's one really neat thing about DU - we can vet all kinds of interesting slogans and catchy stick-in-the-mind phrases - that we need in our arsenal! Easier to simplify and win points that way when you have to defend the President against the nutbags.

Remember when the radical wrong squealed like stuck pigs

because Janet Napolitano at Homeland Security released a study warning about an alarming rise in the number of dangerous extremist groups on the far "right" - domestic terrorists? Remember how they roared in protest and outrage? More importantly, remember how spot-on that report was? She had no business caving to their hissing fits and withdrawing the report. It spoke the truth!

He was a groupie. A police groupie that is. From what I've read about him.

Kinda like a George Zimmerman of that era in one way, I suppose. He hung out with them, gave them free drinks at his bar all the time, visited the precinct frequently. A "buff" as it used to be called sometimes, and a wanna-be tough guy who packed his own heat. Pretty much was allowed to come and go freely at that police station, a familiar figure to the cops there, presumed harmless, nobody gave him a second thought.

Welcome to DU, NomadicView!

Glad you're here! John McCain has a tin ear when it comes to foreign policy. Remember during the GOP CONvention in 2012 when he spoke, and rattled the sabers about how many different wars we rightfully should be starting and/or otherwise getting into? I counted FIVE by the time he was finished speaking. I kep T thinking - um, who's gonna be fighting these wars, John? YOU gonna suit up and go over there and put your own money where your mouth is? And with what money, pray tell? Gonna advocate raising taxes to pay for it - which any normal administration would find the need to do?

I think anybody who advocates that ardently for war should be required to enlist and ship out for combat immediately. And that includes those who served already. You want it that badly? Well, lead the way then. After YOU, then!
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