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YouDig's JournalAnother inconvenient fact for the conspiracy theories.
The credentials committee in Nevada which ruled that some of the delegates were not eligible consisted of 5 Hillary and 5 Bernie supporters each.
http://nvdems.com/credentials-committee/
Evidently none of the pro-Bernie youtube commentators ever bother to mention this fact, but it's a good one to keep in mind.
We all know that math has an anti-Bernie bias. Looks like physics does too.
There are videos circulating from the Sanders conspiracy theory camps purporting to show deceit in some of the voice votes from the Nevada convention. The theory is that the chair doesn't rule with the side that sounds louder on the video, so there's some wrongdoing.
The problem is, the videos are shot from cell phone cameras in the Sanders section. Has anyone in camp Sanders studied physics? Do they understand that volume decreases with distance?
If you don't believe me, you can do an experiment. Go to a football game, and listen to all the screaming fans. Then have someone next to you scream in your ear. Which one is louder?
Seems like the whole basis of the outrage is that Bernie's people didn't understand that the noise coming from people next to them is louder than the noise coming from people across the room. Imagine, just some basic physics education, and all the chair-throwing, death threats, sexist chants, and all that could have been avoided.
Remember when the polling gap between Hillary and Bernie was closing?
Not any more. Looks like the chair-throwing and death threats and calling respected Democrats sexist slurs are taking a toll on Bernie's numbers. Might be time for Bernie to quit while he's "ahead". The uglier it gets, the more he damages his legacy and whatever changes he was hoping to bring to the party become less likely.
What happened in Nevada gets to the character of both campaigns.
It's a good case study, a controlled experiment even, because procedurally the same thing happened twice, once on each side.
In the county conventions, the Sanders camp out-organized the Clinton camp, and ended up with a few more delegates than they had coming in. In the state convention, it was the other way around.
But the reactions of both camps tell the story. After the state convention, we got sexist slurs, physical violence, and death threats. Nothing like that happened at the county level.
A number of commentators have drawn comparisons between the Trump movement and the Bernie movement of this and other similar events. This is only partially accurate. Bernie's supporters have indeed been behaving more and more like Trump's. But Bernie hasn't been egging them on.
But he also has done very little to keep his followers under control. Yes, in Nevada he did issue a statement the day before the convention telling his supporters to stay peaceful, but it's obvious that token statements aren't going to keep these people under control. He needs to address the problem forcefully and quickly. Or, failing that, drop out of the race.
He's obviously not going to win. Does he want his legacy to be thrown chairs, death threats, and sexist slurs?
Do Bernie supporters really think anyone who joined in the last 6 months is a Brock plant?
I get a lot of times where people just respond to a post of mine by pointing out when I joined and calling me a Brock troll. And maybe it's just rookie-hazing, a little childish, but this isn't the only place where certain kinds of people feel better about themselves by trying to bully noobs. That's an internet-wide thing.
But do Bernie supporters here actually believe that? Because if so, it's a pretty serious level of delusion.
I looked from Berniebots to Trumpbots, and from Trumpbots to Berniebots,
but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Jon Ralston.
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/732001330852564993
Absolutely perfect.
REAL Bernie supporters aren't voting for the Democratic nominee.
REAL Bernie supporters are either voting for Trump or voting third party. REAL Bernie supporters want to see Trump win to prove to Hillary and the Democratic party that, well, I don't know what, but they want to prove something. And seeing Trump get elected will prove that thing.
No more FAKE Bernie supporters! If you really support Bernie, you must help Trump win in November. Anything else is a betrayal to the true righteous cause.
How Hillary Clinton won the Democratic nomination.
She used the very dishonest, underhanded, unethical strategy of getting a lot more votes than anyone else.
It's an outrage! Who does she think she is, convincing so many people to vote for her?
Since when do we let people who get more votes than anyone else win elections?
I don't see how any self-respecting progressive can just stand by while the Democratic party nominates the person who the voters chose by a large margin. What is this country coming to?
If you're upset about the email server, you must despise Snowden and Manning.
The only rational way to be outraged about the security implications of a private email server is if you are seriously obsessed with national secrets. The risks were tiny, there was no classified information on it, and there's no evidence that it was breached. It's arguable whether information is safer on a private server than on a State server where a lot more people have access to it, but either way, it wasn't an intentional leaking of information.
So only people with an unhealthy obsession with keeping government information secret could possibly care about this. Unless, of course, people are just talking about it in order to score political points for Trump. But otherwise, anyone legitimately concerned about the security implications of the email server must be utterly outraged at the leaks from people like Snowden. Snowden actually did compromise national security, and he did it intentionally.
But given that Glenn Greenwald, who is one of Bernie's big cheerleaders, was a big part of the Snowden leak, somehow I doubt that the Bernie crowd really cares about national secrets. It's just a political game to help Trump become president.
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