LisiFFXV
LisiFFXV's JournalWe should not support the impeachment of Trump
without the impeachment of Mike Pence as well. Although it is (remotely) possible that he is genuinely innocent of any wrongdoing, given his entanglement with Trump, it is too dangerous to allow him to potentially continue as president given that he may be just as complicit as Trump in all of this. There is every reason to believe that he may:
1. Take orders from Trump after Trump is impeached.
2. Independently continue in the same direction as Trump.
3. Allow Trump's actions and appointments to stand after Trump's impeachment.
Furthermore, if Russia did indeed manipulate our election, then his tenure as either vice president or president is just as illegitimate as Trump's.
Ultimately, the risk is too great not to impeach him as well if we want to assure that this madness comes to a complete stop.
Although we are still too far away for realistic chances of impeachment, there is every reason to believe that impeachment could be on the table in the coming weeks and months. When the time comes, congress must impeach and remove both of them concurrently.
So... what will happen when Trump fails to deliver?
This is the big question in my mind. It's not a question of if he will fail to deliver. He will fail. He (and his supporters) entire premise is flawed. White uneducated people in poor socioeconomic situations, despite their belief to the contrary, are not in their condition due to "the other"... but rather due to overall structural economic changes. We are an information economy now; not an industrial economy. They are struggling because they lack the knowledge, skills, and abilities to compete in this type of economy - not because of someone with different color skin. (A situation, which, ironically, both Sanders and Clinton offered them an actual realistic, although not easy, solution for... in their plans to make job training, education, etc more possible for them.)
Trump promised to "bring their [manufacturing] jobs back". This is akin to a politician during the height of the industrial revolution promising to bring back agricultural jobs to farmers on a grand scale. The government simply lacks the ability to do this; only the market can do this... and it certainly will not. Therefore, Trump will fail to deliver in a profound way. In fact, his economic plans (basically handing out cash to corporations and removing all regulations), ironically, will only expedite the steamroll towards information centered jobs.
So, the question on my mind is, in four years, when the majority of his white voters find themselves to be in exactly the same condition (or worse), what will they do?
I figure that there are two likely possibilities. One, they see Trump as his cohorts for the charlatans that they are, and he becomes a one term president... or two, they assume Trump and his cohorts weren't fascist enough and continue to back them to an even greater extreme.
My bet is on option one (a small, but sizeable enough group, turn on him sufficiently to defeat him in the next election). I only see this failing should there be a war or another 9/11 type of event that conveniently leads to a "rally around the president" type of effect.
Back from the Bush years
Hi everyone!
I used to be a member here during (most) of the Bush years. After President Obama was elected, I no longer saw fit to post here. Unfortunately, it was part of a larger overconfidence and hope on my part that we as a country were past the danger of right wing extremism. The results of this election were a huge surprise to me... the polling data strongly suggested that we had it in the bag, and it wasn't until it was painfully obvious what had happened on election night until what I never even took seriously had occurred. I wasn't naive. I knew we obviously would not gain control of the house and would not control most of the states.... yet, I was certain we would obtain the presidency and thought maybe there was a 50/50 chance we would get the senate.
Furthermore, I told myself that, even if Trump somehow won, checks and balances would keep him at bay, he wouldn't really be that bad, etc. Yet, the day after the election, I had a sick feeling that I was in a deep denial, and this is going to be something unlike anything the country has experienced before.
So here we are again. Hopefully, those like myself that were overconfident, will come out to vote in the midterms and at least put the breaks on his policies in two years.
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