The 212 must stand strong, we must stand strong

IMO this is again part of the most IMPORTANT time in history for the Democratic party, for those who believe in democracy, in the last 50 years. We are dug in and we cannot waiver PERIOD. Whatever happens with the other side in the house we cannot budge. The next 2 years are going to be painful as hell no matter who the hell wins the speakership. But if we stand our ground now, give them no quarter whatsoever we can force the other side to begin to shed itself of this infliction.

They are acting now the way we used to. And they played the long game and never removed the knee from the neck, even if it meant pain for their side. We must learn from our past how to deal with these fascists, and there are more than 20. We must preserve the institution first and foremost before we can give it the care and rebuilding that it needs after 50 years of these these authoritarians trying to tear it down.

This has been their goal from the start, make no mistake. They made their big move in 2016, and are now reaping the rotten fruit of their labor. The American people, as fickle as we are, will see it if we just stay dug in where we are at right now. The right is scared to death right now. They are vulnerable and weakened. We can wipe them out if we stand together and give them nothing, no compromise, no deal.

Look to our Ukrainian brothers and sisters. They are fighting the same fight, albeit with blood. We must not let their sacrifices, the sacrifices of our own through the last 250 years, or anyone battling to protect democracy in the world be for nought. If we show them compassion they will swallow us and destroy democracy as we know it on this planet.

The 212 must stand strong, we must stand strong. We all must resist the temptation to work with these demons. Let them self destruct. Then they can re-build their party, they will be forced to. We must protect the institution, no matter how flawed it is right now, because it is all that stands between fascism and freedom. Any calls for working with the current form of the opposition should be silenced RIGHT NOW!!

We are in the position of power now. Embrace it. Respect it. Keep it.

Check this out, Right before Lord Liar's name was called

Gaetz was right behind him texting. Liar was looking at his phone. They called his name twice, then then Liar raised his hand like a frightened school boy and shouted McCarthy. At the same time Gaetz approached him from behind and said something to him as he brushed by Liar. The clerk had moved on and didnt acknowledge Liars vote. 6th grade politics at it's finest.
[img][/img]

This is such a scam

Free coverage to bash the left. Is how these pricks roll.

If GA delivers The Rev

I promised a close GA Alumni friend Id be Go Dawgs the rest of the year. You absolutely don't know how much that pains me, especially with Big 10, 20, however fucking many there are now in real contention this year. Its gonna hurt BAD!!! but tis for the greater good.

This will get lost in the GD thread. I just have a hard time and need to rant over this Ian bullshit

Please don't get me wrong. I have compassion for people that have been traumatized by something like this. I feel terribly for any loss of peoples loved ones. I am definitely not an unfeeling human being, I really do care. That's why I am going to say something, bash me if you want.

I have a long family history in FL, my indigenous family and had been going there for many years when I was younger. Not as a tourist, but to see family.
The first time I permanently moved there I was invited by a distant cousin and moved to Indian Rocks Beach in 84. Anyone who had been to that little town before the mid 90's knows it was the last bastion of old 50's style white man Florida left on the west coast besides maybe Cedar Key. Gulf Blvd was damn near a dirt road. They didn't allow condos until the late 90's. I lived in a 3 room bungalow with my cousin with the beach and the longest pier in FL as my front porch. I took nothing for granted. I worked on a long line boat with my cousin. I got to know my biggest neighbor, the ocean, intimately for the first time. You couldn't get me out of it, I loved it, still do. But for all its beauty I listened, learned and respected when those with experience spoke of the dark side. Sure I had read about storms, saw TV footage, but when you hear about them first hand, when you learn about and respect a new environment you live in you best listen.

In 85 I got my first real lesson with Elena, a Cat 5 storm that never moved. It never got closer than 60 or 70 miles from us. For nearly 4 days it just sent wave after wave of surge at us, upwards of 9 feet. It was scary as hell. We were going to get off the island but the surge came in so quick we were stuck. We were also helping others that were caught by the surprise of the surge. I watched the longest pier in FL die. You must remember they couldn't predict back then the way they can now. But because I listened, learned and suddenly truly respected about where I lived fear turned to understanding.

I've lived many places in the almost 40 years after that, over half within eyesight of that beautiful neighbor with a temper.. And that lesson has helped me I think more than any other in my life. Where ever you go, move, live or anything you do in your life you have a personal responsibility to listen, learn and respect your new environment. If you cant, are not willing or are just to arrogant, stay where you're at. The bad part...

DON'T MOVE TO FLORIDA unless you're willing to go back to school and learn about where you're living. I am very very serious about that. The environment of Florida owes you nothing, and it's not just storms. While it is beautiful, especially in its natural state, while it has some kind of "Disney" other worldliness that a cornfield or an urban row of same 'ole same 'ole homes needing mowed, raked and shoveled of snow year after year, a seasonal monotony of a working lifetime that would naturally be envious of Florida then DEFINITELY DO NOT MOVE to the coast unless you are seriously going to change your life, unless you are going to educate yourself and LEARN and RESPECT where you're about live.

You're not only endangering yourself you are selfishly endangering others who have to come and get you when you cry. I get so sick of hearing either on TV, or in person of storms I've been in, someone from Michigan or New Jersey or Indiana or just any damn place up north who damn near gets killed or gets other people killed or cries because their house 6 feet above sea level is gone because they think that the ocean around a spit of land that has, is, and will be slammed by these storms more than just about anyplace in the world is just a big jet ski party.

Climate change or not IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN DOWN THERE! Fucking deal with it or go back where you came from. Sorry but I've heard it over and over and over and over. Go down for a month in May get you some Micky Mouse ears and then go home if you're not willing to understand the risk your taking for you, your family and personally, having too many people down there has permanently fucked up one of the most beautiful places in the world.

Commence with the bashing I don't care... I'm right.

Some perspective on Ian and how close, once again, a disaster not seen since the Galveston storm

was averted. The area from Punta Gorda down to Naples that took the brunt of the storm surge from this storm is fairly densely populated. There are barrier islands that offer some protection from a storm like Ian.

There are 5 times as many people in Pinellas county FL as the area that took the brunt of Ian. The land elevation of Pinellas county is almost the same as the areas hit yesterday. It has barrier islands like they do down there. When you start seeing pictures of the devastation that will surely start coming out later today try and think if the original forecast would've transpired.

I lived on Indian Rocks Beach for 14 years. I was there when Elena just set out in the gulf and beat the shit out us for 3 days, never made landfall anywhere close. We had 9 feet of water. The storm of the Century caused the worst flooding in Pinellas county in nearly 80 years.

It's going to happen. 1 million people, a third live in mobile homes, and 3 ways out. It's going to happen.

Not quite sure what the NHC is thinking

We've been debating on weatherboard. Ian certainly looks like it could be back over water in about 6 hours, not later Thursday afternoon. It's already east of Orlando. If it doesn't start to make a northerly turn soon all bets are off once it gets back out into the Atlantic. There's been a model shift east on some of the early guidance.

Huge burst of convection in the eye for a storm over land. Amazing

Hurricane hunters, ride'em cowboy!

Ian is not weakening and it's crawling

Radar images from Tampa showing the eye taking on a hexagonal shape (to hard to explain why) but we see this with very powerful storms like Michael and Harvey along with multiple meso vortices in the eye. All signs of the eyewall winds are making it to the surface.

Latest VDM. Bolded shows this thing is still rocking, thats quite a temp spread...

Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)
Transmitted: 28th day of the month at 17:46Z
Agency: United States Air Force
Aircraft: Lockheed WC-130J Hercules with reg. number AF98-5307
Storm Name: Ian
Storm Number & Year: 09 in 2022 (flight in the North Atlantic basin)
Mission Number: 29
Observation Number: 04

A. Time of Center Fix: 28th day of the month at 17:17:30Z
B. Center Fix Coordinates: 26.51N 82.41W
B. Center Fix Location: 35 statute miles (57 km) to the WSW (256°) from Fort Myers, FL, USA.
C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: 2,581m (8,468ft) at 700mb
D. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 938mb (27.70 inHg)
E. Dropsonde Surface Wind at Center (Undecoded): NA
F. Eye Character: Closed
G. Eye Shape & Diameter: Circular with a diameter of 34 nautical miles (39 statute miles)
H. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Inbound: 113kts (130.0mph)
I. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Inbound: 13 nautical miles (15 statute miles) to the N (352°) of center fix at 17:12:30Z
J. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 102° at 135kts (From the ESE at 155.4mph)
K. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 15 nautical miles (17 statute miles) to the NNW (347°) of center fix at 17:11:30Z
L. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind Outbound: 121kts (139.2mph)
M. Location & Time of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind Outbound: 15 nautical miles (17 statute miles) to the SSE (152°) of center fix at 17:22:30Z
N. Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: From 226° at 136kts (From the SW at 156.5mph)
O. Location & Time of the Maximum Flight Level Wind Outbound: 17 nautical miles (20 statute miles) to the SSE (152°) of center fix at 17:23:00Z
P. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 9°C (48°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,059m (10,036ft)
Q. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 22°C (72°F) at a pressure alt. of 3,050m (10,007ft)
R. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 12°C (54°F)
R. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available
S. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature
S. Fix Level: 700mb
T. Navigational Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles
T. Meteorological Accuracy: 1 nautical mile