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lunatica

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Mon Apr 16, 2018, 11:56 AM Apr 2018

This is the third time dirty tricks have cost us the loss [View all]

of a duly elected President.

Al Gore was the first when the recount of the Florida votes was stopped and subsequently the Supreme Court upheld that action and literally selected Bush. That day we stopped being a Constitutional Democracy, but people preferred to pretend it didn’t happen. Two of our three branches of government failed as Congress did nothing, and the Judiciary took on powers it’s never been given, and the selected winner took up the reins of our third branch.

John Kerry was the second when every dirty trick in the book was used to defame him and no one thought it of importance to set the record straight. People who had seen what happened when Bush was selected had long since decided the selection was OK. Things had happened with the Bush administration that could never be reversed. We had all moved on to the wars. That time it was the media who failed us as well as every branch of government. We, the American people as aa body, believed that the Bush administration would actually have clean voting that time even though they didn’t the first time. And so we got Bush again to eventually explode our economy too.

Hillary Clinton is the third. This time it was the combined failure of the above mentioned perpetrators and the added brazen criminality of the Trump/Russia criminal enterprise to gain control of the American government for personal political gain, both for raw power itself and for lucrative gain. Trump sucked the air out of the country and may have blown the last flicker of life out of our shredded Constitution. Congress has long since abdicated all power and lays supine awaiting further instruction. The Judiciary did nothing. Our representatives passed themselves guaranteed untold future wealth and have decided to quit their jobs and go home. Mission accomplished.

As a country calling itself, correctly or not, the United States of America and calling ourselves a Democratically run Constitution we will continue to live our daily lives like that’s true, and for those of us who are white and male it may even feel that way for a while.

But if we actually face the above facts and do something about it there still may be a window of opportunity, not to reverse what has happened since 2000 because that’s water under the bridge and a dark part of our history but to restore Democracy and our Constitution. We must all vote this year, like it were possibly the last time it really counts.

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GOP cant win the presidency without stealing it, likely havent "won" since 1968. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1
we might have to give them 1984. unblock Apr 2018 #4
I agree lunatica Apr 2018 #5
1968 is arguable. dchill Apr 2018 #6
I would argue '68 was stolen as well wysimdnwyg Apr 2018 #22
There were others trc Apr 2018 #2
Precisely Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #3
Were those deals considered violations of the Constitution? lunatica Apr 2018 #8
President Johnson called Nixon's actions treason trc Apr 2018 #15
Thanks for the explanation. lunatica Apr 2018 #16
It goes even further than that... rwsanders Apr 2018 #60
That is horrible! lunatica Apr 2018 #61
++++ mahina Apr 2018 #17
I'm glad you mentioned Reagan...... people often forget that tidbit about Saint Ronnie groundloop Apr 2018 #31
So the last legitimately elected Republican was who... Bush 41 I guess? Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #49
yep, but even in that election there were shenanigans... trc Apr 2018 #52
Now I do. One of the most blatant appeals to collective racism ever. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #59
Just remember - every single network called Florida for Gore but one. Initech Apr 2018 #7
My recollection is similar, but they backed off quickly lunatica Apr 2018 #10
The 90,000 voters who happened to be black who were targeted to not vote Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #24
Ah yes. I forgot about her lunatica Apr 2018 #32
Electoral College modrepub Apr 2018 #9
Let the small states complain all they want lunatica Apr 2018 #12
I'm With You ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #39
That's right. Nitram Apr 2018 #11
2004 Freddie Apr 2018 #13
The 2004 Ohio vote was audited, and Kerry seems to have won. But that was probably the only state planetc Apr 2018 #44
So true!!!! mfcorey1 Apr 2018 #14
Our future tax dollars could be going to Putin lunatica Apr 2018 #18
This Sh!t has Also Cost the Dems THREE SCOTUS Seats! OMGWTF Apr 2018 #19
Yes. All part of the consequences and collateral damage lunatica Apr 2018 #23
the way these events are interpreted and spun so nothing gets done and it gets worse is directly certainot Apr 2018 #20
Well, the POTUS can't gut the government without a majority in Congress. Texin Apr 2018 #21
I think all you say is just the natural fallout of the stolen elections lunatica Apr 2018 #27
Its solely because of donor money period rainy Apr 2018 #25
I don't think it ought to be JUST up to us RandomAccess Apr 2018 #26
Well were the ones who elect them lunatica Apr 2018 #29
Merrick Garland, as well BadgerMom Apr 2018 #28
Merrick, but yes, very much stolen and a clear violation of the duty of the Senate. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #30
Thank you! BadgerMom Apr 2018 #41
Hes living proof of the direct results of those Presidential derailments lunatica Apr 2018 #33
Bush v. Gore was likely partly Russia, too, in funneling money to Ralph Nader and the Green Party. Anon-C Apr 2018 #34
don't foget Nixon and Reagan and their dirty bullshit during the campaign season also gopiscrap Apr 2018 #35
"Hey! Don't forget to mention us...! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2018 #36
An in each of those years the left left Green slime were involved....Nader in 2000. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #37
You can go back farther than that. Loubee Apr 2018 #38
Yes. lunatica Apr 2018 #40
I would count using russian agents to steal the election Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #46
It is treason lunatica Apr 2018 #53
That's why whenever I see posts saying "so and so should be the Dem candidate. S/he will lunamagica Apr 2018 #42
Exactly. lunatica Apr 2018 #43
Yeah, they stole the elections, but Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #45
I thought it was obviously true to anyone when lunatica Apr 2018 #55
Fourth enid602 Apr 2018 #47
What you say is true, but doesn't take into account all the down ballot races that were lost Amaryllis Apr 2018 #48
I wanted to limit it to Presidential election in this century lunatica Apr 2018 #50
You sure got all that right! Just saying, it was lots more than the presidency. Amaryllis Apr 2018 #51
That is a very good point. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #56
the last republican to legitimately win a first term was Dwight Eisenhower rurallib Apr 2018 #54
Well said. Remember November. Like our lives depend on it. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #57
Then there was the original October Surprise. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #58
You forgot Nixon's and Reagan's treachery. Otherwise, spot on. Hassler Apr 2018 #62
Voting is a good idea but it's not the whole answer garybeck Apr 2018 #63
Also Gore lost when the Ohio SOS computers were switched to RNC servers in Chattanooga Rene Apr 2018 #64
bookmarked for future reference AllaN01Bear Apr 2018 #65
Flipped votes in Ohio Orangeutan Apr 2018 #66
The question to ask the DNC Perseus Apr 2018 #67
I agree that the Democratic reps have failed also lunatica Apr 2018 #68
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