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22. Caucuses are about the least democratic structures there are.
Mon Jun 11, 2018, 01:30 PM
Jun 2018

We saw during the last election how the caucuses don't reflect the true makeup of the voters, OR accommodate many of them. The caucuses work ONLY if you can GET yourself to the caucuses in the first place.

If you're free to stick around ALL EVENING LONG, withstand all the inter-group lobbying, and hang on til the end when the vote is finally taken,

If you don't have to worry about babysitters,

If you don't have to worry about transportation (more difficult for the elderly),

If you're not snowed in and thus rendered unable to leave home (the Iowa caucuses happen in the middle of winter),

If you're a student of voting age who doesn't have homework due or tests scheduled for the next day - as many college-age students did (hell, I read a story in one of the newspapers in which a reporter covering the Iowa caucuses interviewed three college-age dudes, who had their own candidate and issue preferences. They had lots of very credible things to say, until the reporter asked each of them whether they were going to attend. One of them hadn't made up his mind, and the other two claimed to have waterpolo practice that same night),

If it means you have to stand in some cold gymnasium ALL EVENING (kinda hard when you're frail or ailing to some degree, or elderly - assuming you can even get there, physically). As I saw repeatedly, when I read reports about the caucuses, there are never enough chairs available to let you get off your feet - not only for the elderly but for young parents who are forced to take their kids with them and try to keep them corralled all evening,

Then you're basically screwed. You won't be present for the end-of-the-night voting (no, in many cases you're not allowed to arrive when it's convenient for you, cast your vote, and then leave. You have to stick around all evening long, and listen to the discussions and the lobbying by various spokespeople or campaign activists before you're allowed to vote. And the voting doesn't occur til the end of the evening. Which means YOUR vote won't be cast OR counted, and YOUR voice won't be heard.

I read enough about drawbacks and complications and other problem with the caucus system two years ago to decide that caucuses did not serve the voters. I'm thoroughly against them.

Best paragraph from the atricle Kilgore Jun 2018 #1
This is the key. 50 state strategy will get us back the House. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #6
All politics is local... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #10
As I write this, I am sitting in a breakroom with a tv playing live coverage from Singapore Kilgore Jun 2018 #42
Well said! Sophia4 Jun 2018 #46
But that's really utter BS. Hillary had a well-drawn out jobs plan and they know it. LisaM Jun 2018 #52
Sorry LisaM, you have it completely wrong. Kilgore Jun 2018 #57
Truth. PatrickforO Jun 2018 #58
I know people like this too. They are being fed lies LisaM Jun 2018 #59
+100. Plus, Repubs SUPPRESSED the economy during Hortensis Jun 2018 #90
thumbs up on the lack and loss of connection- Ds needed "We built America", made in USA Sunlei Jun 2018 #62
We'll just have to wait for them to die Steven Maurer Jun 2018 #68
Thank you for wanting my coworkers to die Kilgore Jun 2018 #69
I never said I "wanted" them to die Steven Maurer Jun 2018 #70
Let me get this straight Kilgore Jun 2018 #83
They weren't? Steven Maurer Jun 2018 #86
You obviously did not read post #57 Kilgore Jun 2018 #89
I did. Steven Maurer Jun 2018 #94
Sec Clinton wasn't able to address those issues because the only thing anyone wanted yto talk about KCDebbie Jun 2018 #77
Hillary had the most progressive plarform. But the MSM would cut her off during a speech lunamagica Jun 2018 #82
She had their FULL attention. ehrnst Jun 2018 #87
Too many people just simply didn't like Hillary & either stayed home or went another way. 7962 Jun 2018 #64
The Russians stole the election for trump and still Hillary Cha Jun 2018 #88
If people can be misled by someone who "shows concerns for their jobs and their lifestyle"... More_Cowbell Jun 2018 #63
See post 57 above Kilgore Jun 2018 #84
I do not mean to sound condescending but pennylane100 Jun 2018 #91
There is a simple explaination. Kilgore Jun 2018 #92
Obama said Dems should or should not talk about Russia investigations? Pepsidog Jun 2018 #11
Poorly worded sentence jayschool2013 Jun 2018 #15
K&R nt lillypaddle Jun 2018 #2
Obama knows how to win despite unprecedented and irrational opposition IronLionZion Jun 2018 #3
A lot of his success is due to his personality. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #47
I'm glad to read this.. mountain grammy Jun 2018 #4
I hope that... MarianJack Jun 2018 #5
I'm for whoever has the best chance of beating Trump! (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2018 #7
Frankly, I think anyone has a decent chance of beating Trump. lpbk2713 Jun 2018 #30
Bernie fancies himself as better that President Obama BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #8
so you fancy yourself as a better than obama on knowing who the potential candidates are dembotoz Jun 2018 #9
How many has bernie won. This article is about Obama building a coalition, Wwcd Jun 2018 #12
:rofl: NurseJackie Jun 2018 #13
Bernie won cannabis_flower Jun 2018 #14
perhaps confused with bernie brewer who admittedly has won no primaries dembotoz Jun 2018 #16
And??? Stop hijacking the Politico article about Pres Obama's long game of Wwcd Jun 2018 #20
Thank you for that post. True Blue American Jun 2018 #24
Yup. You are welcome 'True Blue American' Wwcd Jun 2018 #25
+1000 R B Garr Jun 2018 #32
Yes! This! Politicub Jun 2018 #66
Caucuses are about the least democratic structures there are. calimary Jun 2018 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #26
Yeah True Blue American Jun 2018 #19
Photo op # 125. Money & Media with zero substance. Wwcd Jun 2018 #21
What kind of photo op has no photos? thesquanderer Jun 2018 #35
Pope and Bernie True Blue American Jun 2018 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #27
Remember when True Blue American Jun 2018 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2018 #29
Yup. Money & Media & never miss an opportunity Wwcd Jun 2018 #37
At 6 AM as the Pope was rushing for the airport for a trip to Greece. George II Jun 2018 #41
... BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #17
The Article never mentioned the fact that Bernie requested True Blue American Jun 2018 #18
But that's Politico! And that's what the billionaire "Money & Media" is all about! Wwcd Jun 2018 #23
Wow, so this is more fake news?? Bernie had to request R B Garr Jun 2018 #31
It makes sense. murielm99 Jun 2018 #33
You're right, It does make sense. For someone who insists on not being a Democrat, R B Garr Jun 2018 #34
HA!!! 7962 Jun 2018 #65
Reworded my post, you are right. nt R B Garr Jun 2018 #39
Did you read the article? It does mention the fact that Bernie requested it. thesquanderer Jun 2018 #36
Respect? Bernie called for Obama to be Primaried! Wwcd Jun 2018 #38
Yeah, some "respect" when BS called for President Obama Cha Jun 2018 #45
Sanders called for Obama to be Primaried? Not quite... thesquanderer Jun 2018 #49
I'm well aware of the game being played. Wwcd Jun 2018 #53
Taxpayers didn't bail out the corporate media, thesquanderer Jun 2018 #54
Geezus... Wwcd Jun 2018 #56
bet he doesnt bite that hand? he talks about it all the time. He criticizes the media in interviews JCanete Jun 2018 #61
Bernie Sanders Says It Would Be A 'Good Idea' To Primary President Obama Cha Jun 2018 #71
Yup he surely did Cha! Proudly even...as tho he was a better man than Barack Obama. Wwcd Jun 2018 #73
Yeah.. No respect.. now Cha Jun 2018 #74
Yes, that info was in my link as well. Though it does not equate to no respect. (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2018 #75
It Most Certainly Does Equate "NO RESPECT" Cha Jun 2018 #76
Sorry, I should have added "IMO." thesquanderer Jun 2018 #78
And, that wasn't all he did that showed NO RESPECT for Cha Jun 2018 #79
IMO, that would be a call for Obama to make. thesquanderer Jun 2018 #80
President Obama is an honorable classy man.. I will Cha Jun 2018 #81
Tes, BS did.. no matter how much they're trying to rewrite history.. Cha Jun 2018 #72
Who's account of the meeting is this? Unless its from Obama Wwcd Jun 2018 #40
Someone named Edward-Isaac Dovere. thesquanderer Jun 2018 #48
Seems to me I know exactly what I'm talking about. Wwcd Jun 2018 #51
Notice what happens when you point out a blatant falsehood in a Bernie-bash. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #60
It did say he (Sanders) requested the meeting Exotica Jun 2018 #50
".. Obama bristles..".. Oh yeah I can really Cha Jun 2018 #44
I wonder who leaked this. I don't see new names... Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #55
Best advice remains: "it's the economy, stupid" Bucky Jun 2018 #67
I appreciate President Obama's continued leadership and willingness to assist all of our candidates Devil Child Jun 2018 #85
Go Obama. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #93
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