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In reply to the discussion: I was a big fan, but Ocasio-Cortez is starting to get on my nerves. [View all]R B Garr
(16,950 posts)374. Someone who runs as a Democrat to keep competition out but then switches
to Independent intentionally doesn't really have much leeway to judge others or establish "precedent" for others except to admit that they use the system for their own benefit. I bet there are plenty of good Democrats in Vermont who are electable and could do a great job, but the adaptation started by Sanders' apparently works there.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say that an Independent elected can't switch back to Democrat after an election, and Crowley is known in his district, so it's not like a Democrat won't be serving. Plus, he is not doing it intentionally like Sanders. It was circumstantial from a leftover endorsement by the WFP. This is much ado about nothing.
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I was a big fan, but Ocasio-Cortez is starting to get on my nerves. [View all]
EffieBlack
Jul 2018
OP
Isn't there something inherently racist and sexist in the above accusations?
DemocracyMouse
Jul 2018
#53
Bill Clay is black. Sharice Davids is a Native American and Gretchen Whitmer is Jewish
RandySF
Jul 2018
#103
The only person who has mentioned racist or sexist is you (unless I missed it somewhere?)
George II
Jul 2018
#208
Choosing a person to be president "because she's female" is as sexist as doing it "cause he's male"
DemocracyMouse
Jul 2018
#216
I'm guarded about her. Seems like iffy people are whispering in her ear and they're
bettyellen
Jul 2018
#2
This, she seems like a great talent, but needs much better advisors and mentors...
renegade000
Jul 2018
#6
Brand New Democrats was founded by Kyle Kulinski, who does not hide the fact that in 2016....
George II
Jul 2018
#318
And both are/were affiliated with TYT, who has no qualms about where their money comes from.
George II
Jul 2018
#321
He and others are trying to get Crowley to actively run on that 3rd party ticket to block her
Celerity
Jul 2018
#140
Yes. I look forward to his opinion piece in WSJ rejecting Lieberman's suggestion and
Nanjeanne
Jul 2018
#183
That's great for people that follow him on Twitter. But still think he could do more han tweet to
Nanjeanne
Jul 2018
#200
Here's a guess: the average voter in his district doesn't read the Wall Street Journal
brooklynite
Jul 2018
#214
You trust the Wall street Journal to tell you what to think? That's a huge problem.
bettyellen
Jul 2018
#241
Where did I say that? Lieberman's piece was in WSJ. So Crowley's rejection should be too.
Nanjeanne
Jul 2018
#250
If he WERE (he said he isn't) to actively run on a 3rd party line, that is a 3rd party challenge
Celerity
Jul 2018
#358
I never said I agreed with Sander's scheme, and he hardly is 'blocking' anyone
Celerity
Jul 2018
#377
If it is not a label distinction, then Sanders' would run as a Democrat and remain
R B Garr
Jul 2018
#379
Ignore him and his affiliated center right PACS (they also endorse and support Republicans)
Celerity
Jul 2018
#144
primary incumbent Democrats in safe districts rather than take on weakened incumbent Republicans
Celerity
Jul 2018
#385
Thank you for your kind remarks about Liuba. I'm workng for her campaign. N/T
lapucelle
Jul 2018
#387
I know, that is why I exposed his center right PACS and their shenanigans in further replies
Celerity
Jul 2018
#386
WHY IS SHE DOING THIS campaigning against Sharice Davids, a progressive gay, Native American woman.
trueblue2007
Jul 2018
#4
The fact that she gave Glenn Greenwald an interview was enough for me to be cautious of her.
rogue emissary
Jul 2018
#15
sadly she did, but since she was an outsider and wasn't getitng many MSM attention.
rogue emissary
Jul 2018
#25
The little I've read about Dore on DU. I'm not surprised, just hope she makes smarter decisions.
rogue emissary
Jul 2018
#49
The discussion is about a democrat seeming to be trying to kneecap other democrats.
Blue_true
Jul 2018
#47
They are speaking positively about the Democratic candidates she is campaigning against
TeamPooka
Jul 2018
#125
Brand New Congress candidates target incumbents of both parties in safe seats.
lapucelle
Jul 2018
#205
She has offended and pissed off a lot of incumbent Democrats. That she annoyed Bill Pascrell....
George II
Jul 2018
#79
His complete comments, including the last sentence that wasn't in your graphic:
George II
Jul 2018
#203
Hopefully despite all the bone headed moves she actually wins her seat. But...
GulfCoast66
Jul 2018
#35
I agree, Alexandria is leading re the occupy movement & knows what's needed 2 take back our country
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2018
#105
LOL, I never said any such a thing... please stop making things up. Thank you.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2018
#290
Yeah, me, too. And I don't appreciate her interference in the WA state election.
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#73
"the Establishment has lost power for the Democrats at every level of government."
betsuni
Jul 2018
#332
Yes, Alexandria understands the plight of the working class...she's a well-needed voice in the House
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2018
#316
Every time someone in my circle of friends pins his--and so far it's been his--hopes on someone...
CBHagman
Jul 2018
#89
Sharice Davids call out every Republican who voted to ban adoptions by gay couples.
RandySF
Jul 2018
#91
After her Firing Line interview, she is getting shredded in the conservative press.
LuvLoogie
Jul 2018
#93
I doubt it will happen, but she needs to avoid the tortoise and hare scenario
EffieBlack
Jul 2018
#97
Ugh, will she be explaining in detail to voters that she has to get permission
R B Garr
Jul 2018
#292
Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress, and their candidates also need to admit
lapucelle
Jul 2018
#322
I think republicans, independents and other non democrats shouldnt meddle in our primaries nt
msongs
Jul 2018
#143
At the time, Joe Lieberman was a progressive Jewish candidate and he was on the GE ballot.
George II
Jul 2018
#182
Nope, OP should not delete this OP. We're holding people's feet to the fire, remember that?
stevenleser
Jul 2018
#361
You're the one who said it. Is it OK to hold politicians feet to the fire or not?
stevenleser
Jul 2018
#382
More and more it seems the whole thing rests on one fixed idea: dumping Obamacare.
ucrdem
Jul 2018
#344
Mahalo for the Obamacare polls, ucr.. you never know when they might come in handy!
Cha
Jul 2018
#347
If she likes one candidates ideology over another's, then why shouldn't she advocate for that
JCanete
Jul 2018
#151
so? others campaign for people....say, Barabara Boxer and Biden when they went to
JCanete
Jul 2018
#221
I say we give this newbie with more enthusiasm than I've seen in decades free rein.
Vinca
Jul 2018
#164
Funded by Cenk Uyger who is funded by Buddy Roehmer. Makes one shake one's head.
George II
Jul 2018
#186
If you're going down the route of "identity politics" she's also lending her support to candidates..
JHan
Jul 2018
#178
But you have no qualms about an out-of-state-er (to put it in your "status quoer's" terminology)....
George II
Jul 2018
#184
Shes supporting Thompson and Welder because they are alligned with her own platform
liberalnarb
Jul 2018
#195
We're talking about KANSAS here, not the South Bronx. The top priority of a candidate...
George II
Jul 2018
#257
Oh melman, we've been through this before. A "liberal" in Kansas is going to be considered....
George II
Jul 2018
#260
Well sir, I'm certainly not going to give you a geography lesson on the city in which I grew up.
George II
Jul 2018
#264
Hmm. Lots of negative things being said about Ocasio-Cortez on this and other
PatrickforO
Jul 2018
#212
I noticed this as well. Are we being prepped for a "Vote Crowley" in the general election?
jalan48
Jul 2018
#218
She doesn't make me "uncomfortable" in the least. I actually like her quite a bit
EffieBlack
Jul 2018
#220
that's your framing. Advocating for a different candidate is trying to "take down" Davids...its not
JCanete
Jul 2018
#276
she's drawing a distinction between the candidates she advocates for and these cadidates. TThose are
JCanete
Jul 2018
#283
Yes, a brand new politician who's only been around for five minutes should stick close to home
EffieBlack
Jul 2018
#248
Is Ray saying Ocasio-Cortez's endorsements should be exclusively based on demographics?
MadDAsHell
Jul 2018
#243
No, but falsely smearing Ocasio-Cortez as racist and sexist, as you did in the OP, is divisive.
redgreenandblue
Jul 2018
#389
Please point to what I said in my OP that "smeared Ocasio-Cortez as racist and sexist"
EffieBlack
Jul 2018
#390
It's part of why I put it in quotes. It's a hard phenomenon to label without offending.
moriah
Jul 2018
#359
Elizabeth Warren made mistakes in her first campaign as well. (Kudos to Charlie Pierce)
bullwinkle428
Jul 2018
#383
By the way, what exactly don't you like about Brent Welder, aside from the obvious...his
JCanete
Jul 2018
#400
What part? When I asked what you preferred of Davids over Welder as a candidate? That seemed
JCanete
Jul 2018
#403
I was a fan also. Now I take solace in someone primaring her nn 2 years. nt
Tavarious Jackson
Jul 2018
#401
Why not? I was a fan. I was excited... but now she is accusing people of ding things they are NOT...
Tavarious Jackson
Jul 2018
#406