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Time for change

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Sat Dec 29, 2018, 04:41 PM Dec 2018

The Florida 2018 elections for U.S. Senator and Governor Are Highly Suspicious [View all]

Shortly prior to the 2018 midterms I contacted the Orange County, Florida (where I live) supervisor of elections to ask them how they intended to ensure that our votes are counted accurately. The answer was that audits would be conducted on statistically valid samples of ballots, and that this would be followed up by hand recounts where audits provided a red flag for serious errors. I was pleasantly surprised to hear that because of our country’s history of woefully inadequate election security and integrity in the 21st Century.

Following the election and the calling of the governor and Senator elections in Florida, I again contacted the Orange County supervisor of elections to follow up on their audit plans. I was told that there would be no audit because the machine recounts (for both elections) and hand recount (for the Senator election) made audits unnecessary. I tried to explain why the partial recounts that were done in no way made audits or follow-up full hand recounts unnecessary – but to no avail.

The partial hand recount of the Florida Senate election strongly suggests fraud (see below). The 2018 machine and partial hand recounts of the governor and U.S. Senate races in Florida were woefully inadequate as a means of ruling out fraud because: The machine recounts are inadequate for that purpose simply because if they had been programmed for fraud prior to the election there would be no good reason to believe that recounting of the votes by the same machines would produce a significantly different result than the original count.

The hand recount included only under- and over-votes, which amounted to about 32,000 ballots, less than 0.4% of the full Florida vote count. I’ve read two somewhat conflicting accounts of the results, but they both indicate substantial narrowing of Rick Scott’s lead over bill Nelson. According to CNN, Scott’s lead of 12,603 votes decreased by more than 2,500 votes following the hand recount. According to the Miami Herald, only 410 additional valid votes for Nelson and 136 valid votes for Scott were found from the recount (2). Although these accounts appear to contradict each other, there are two very important points that need to be emphasized about either scenario: 1) Nelson’s gains on the hand recount in either case are far too great to be attributed to random statistical error (I used statistics on a daily basis for 40 years in my career as an epidemiologist). The odds against such gains occurring by random chance are astronomical – exceeding odds of millions to one; and, 2) Given that the hand recount involved less than 0.4% of Florida’s ballots, if similar differences were found in the rest of the state in a follow-up recount, Nelson’s gains would exceed his current deficit by tens of thousands of votes, even using the lower vote count difference noted above.

I am not implying that the above proves election fraud – though it is certainly very suggestive of that. But certainly any election system geared towards ensuring the accuracy of the vote count would mandate a state-wide hand recount of the Senate race under these circumstances (and the governor’s race if the Senate recount changed the results of the election).

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Kick! Raster Dec 2018 #1
Of course it was stolen edhopper Dec 2018 #2
A clue to how the software works might be in how the tallies always flip in the last hour Cetacea Dec 2018 #3
In the 2016 election Time for change Dec 2018 #4
Truth will out malaise Dec 2018 #5
start digging in the Opa Looka Post Office onethatcares Dec 2018 #14
Wow malaise Dec 2018 #15
The repubs have been stealing elections in Florida since 2000. Sancho Dec 2018 #6
Yep, one thing they're good at. mountain grammy Dec 2018 #11
Ditto that. IT's the only way they can win. Amaryllis Dec 2018 #28
K&R ffr Dec 2018 #7
K & R. Thanks for your involvement & persistence. Secure elections appalachiablue Dec 2018 #8
Yes and Florida was rigged in '16 too. JoeOtterbein Dec 2018 #9
That could be very helpful Time for change Dec 2018 #19
PA is a mess thanks to years of Rethug control... JoeOtterbein Dec 2018 #24
dream on DENVERPOPS Dec 2018 #22
18 years of this in Florida soryang Dec 2018 #10
are any lawsuits in the works? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #12
Not that I'm aware of Time for change Dec 2018 #17
Paper ballots with a printed receipt for EVERYTHING! SergeStorms Dec 2018 #13
It was very suspicious mcar Dec 2018 #16
No doubt. Just look at the Commissioner of Agriculture Results. cureautismnow Dec 2018 #18
Unfortunately, electronic vote manipulation is a taboo subject in our country Time for change Dec 2018 #20
In theory, couldn't a Democratic Supervisor of Elections... cureautismnow Dec 2018 #25
I could be wrong, but I doubt that would be legal Time for change Dec 2018 #26
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2018 #27
Yada, yada, yada DENVERPOPS Dec 2018 #21
You're right about Obama's election Time for change Dec 2018 #23
Elections Sudsy Dec 2018 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #30
We need paper trails for all elections, AND a combination of audits or exit polls, followed by Time for change Dec 2018 #31
i apprciate your passion for this subject but i do not agree with your solution questionseverything Dec 2018 #37
Yours is a more complete and foolproof solution than what I recommended above. Time for change Dec 2018 #38
when vw was caught using software to cheat mileage tests, i hoped people would wake up and realize questionseverything Dec 2018 #39
As you and I both know, the reason they are so against recounts and allowing access to Time for change Dec 2018 #40
Just to review: "they" rigged the votes for GOV and SEN... brooklynite Dec 2018 #32
They can only rig something close Polybius Dec 2018 #34
The Senate race was decided by a 0.3% margin, Gov race by about 0.8% margin Time for change Dec 2018 #35
Whether you believe the Sen. and Gov race was rigged or not Time for change Dec 2018 #36
I wanna see some fucking heads rolling over this... Blue Owl Dec 2018 #33
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