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In reply to the discussion: There is one person I believe would, absolutely, positively, beat Trump - Joe Biden. [View all]pnwmom
(108,977 posts)31. So I guess you were fine with Biden taking $200K to give a speech to help Fred Upton,
the Republican running for re-election in Congress in 2018, and refuse to even talk to the Democrat about an endorsement?
His supposed reason was because they guy voted for Biden's cancer research bill -- but Upton also tried to repeal the ACA. He's not an ally.
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There is one person I believe would, absolutely, positively, beat Trump - Joe Biden. [View all]
Stuart G
Jan 2019
OP
There are many good democrats who may run, but IMO Biden is too old. I wouldn't be against him
in2herbs
Jan 2019
#1
+ And what also becomes more important to me is someone who thinks big
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#5
That is precisely why he is good. Blend age/wisdom with youthful, energetic VP
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#3
That is what quite a few ageist DUers said about Nancy Pelosi. Age should not be determinative
hlthe2b
Jan 2019
#4
Nor should "genderists" and "minorityists" - Best person first - what they look like,
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#7
You may think Biden is too .."old"..Running against Trump, I believe that age would
Stuart G
Jan 2019
#13
The next president is going to have her work cut out for her. She will need help. Look how Obama
in2herbs
Jan 2019
#37
Great person, of course. Doubtful she could turn anything from purple
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#8
I think the near win by Abrams in GA bodes well for a progressive AA candidate
oberliner
Jan 2019
#43
Except both Abrams and Gillum both lost in states they are from to candidates that cheated
standingtall
Jan 2019
#65
Yes. Think it's different when you come from a red state perspective. And you just
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#25
Yes, it still hurts that we came so close with Beto - but saw it coming - just looking
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#40
Florida was very close in 2016 and Andrew Gillum almost won the state in 2018
oberliner
Jan 2019
#45
Sexism would do her in. I love her but see her as risky.Look at what they're doing to her already
Dream Girl
Jan 2019
#52
I agree - but it's my red state perspective. I don't want to be left out. I want
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#109
Her strong talk against the NRA and calling for gun restrictions will hurt her there
Amishman
Jan 2019
#72
Exactly. I like that "high risk" (great person but high risk). Of course we don't
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#27
Why won't it happen? Biden/Beto? it's perfect - especially if they run together and
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#29
I really liked Beto until the dental appointment. We have tremendous issues and watching
33taw
Jan 2019
#39
I thought the same. Heck, people got upset about Howard Dean yelling in Iowa, but O'Rourke's dental
Hoyt
Jan 2019
#87
So I guess you were fine with Biden taking $200K to give a speech to help Fred Upton,
pnwmom
Jan 2019
#31
No, I'm not. It was during his campaign, and Biden knew it would help him. Upton even made
pnwmom
Jan 2019
#61
You're the one who's naive if you think someone as experienced as Biden didn't know
pnwmom
Jan 2019
#114
That's what I think too. Let the fine progressive people run committees and
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#17
Sounds like chump change baggage compared to Trump. Crime rates were very
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#21
+1 to all this. Let's also not forget his role in making student loans impossible to discharge
Maven
Jan 2019
#63
Would stick my neck out and say Texas is prime to turn blue - with Joe running. Add
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#12
When I hear people say this, I think they must be a guy. I'm sure some women must be
pnwmom
Jan 2019
#28
Do you think Abrams will bring that sad state of affairs up on Tuesday?
Laura PourMeADrink
Jan 2019
#102
Good point. I'm an oldster and agree it's time to pass the reins to the next generations.
Doremus
Jan 2019
#68
Is there anyone else who would...absolutely, positively beat Trump?..I can think of one:
Stuart G
Jan 2019
#35
Michelle is the only one who I can safely say would be a lock to beat that POS.
Celerity
Jan 2019
#118
And Biden looks 15 years younger than Trump and is in better shape than most 50 year olds
emulatorloo
Jan 2019
#94
I believe Biden will beat Trump. But to me, we must win. Whoever is our candidate must
Stuart G
Jan 2019
#75
I just hope that whoever the person is, wins. Yes, I think Biden will win, but I do not care as
Stuart G
Jan 2019
#81
i love biden for his basic human decency. However, the way tRump plowed thru his primary against
Kurt V.
Jan 2019
#84
I think almost any Democrat will beat rump (and at least one putative independent).
shanny
Jan 2019
#82
There is a lady who in my opinion could "transform this country and the world" but
Stuart G
Jan 2019
#85
I would rather have Inslee/Warren * but IMO for foreign policy repair Biden is necessary.
Autumn
Jan 2019
#97
Anything can happen...it is so early in this upcoming election cycle....Another example:
Stuart G
Jan 2019
#92
He's the worst President in history; how could ANY of our candidates lose to him?
MadDAsHell
Jan 2019
#105
We wouldn't ordinarily need Joe Biden. Nor would he perhaps ordinarily be elected.
WheelWalker
Feb 2019
#127