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Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
17. This is a discussion that the US will have to have.
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:21 PM
Feb 2019

The automation movement eliminated millions of factory jobs. The use of AIs is going to eliminate tens and tens of millions of office jobs in this country. The only way for the masses to share in the benefits of AIs is to have a guaranteed income. Otherwise the rich will monopolize the gains and keep it all to themselves.

So interesting that the biggest benefits are health benefits so far. It's just accepted by most Americans that laying awake at night worrying about bills is just a part of adulthood. The working class worries about paying for the basics because there is virtually no social safety net. And this doesn't change with the more money you make for most. In fact it can get worse, my income is high enough now that the social safety net might as well not exist to me. If I were laid off and couldn't find work within 6 months I'd face financial ruin because unemployment would not pay my bills and I'd be eating into my savings just to make ends meet. And having a few months worth of bills in savings makes me in a much better spot than most.

There is an illusion of security among the upper middle class. I have a couple degrees that are in demand to fall back on, but things can change quickly with technology that might make my degrees not a guarantee of a job. In my state the Unemployment benefit is maxed out at $363 a week before taxes, I could pay my mortgage with that, but nothing more. Getting sick while laid off would ruin me completely. People have no clue how close to a crisis they are living. The social safety net has been dismantled almost entirely, this effects more Americans than people are willing to admit.

SOCIALISM!!!11!!! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2019 #1
Nixon proposed it in 1970 crazytown Feb 2019 #6
It should be strictly voluntary. Never force someone out of impoverishment and uncertainty. nt Snotcicles Feb 2019 #2
Finland is a different culture altogether. As soon as greedy landlord find out their renters get allgood33 Feb 2019 #3
It was basically a trial of 2000 unemployed folks who were unemployed to see what if any benefits still_one Feb 2019 #5
The 2000 randomly selected in this experment targeted were unemployed. still_one Feb 2019 #4
Republicans are happy Danascot Feb 2019 #7
and sick...and uneducated...and uninformed...and powerless. rainin Feb 2019 #12
Stockton, CA giving residents $500 month stipend FM123 Feb 2019 #8
...................................................... still_one Feb 2019 #13
I've seen studies on the effects of uncertainty MissMillie Feb 2019 #9
"Constant stress and financial stress for the long term" Anon-C Feb 2019 #10
Too bad health and well being is not so valued in the US. liberalmuse Feb 2019 #11
They'll spend it on drugs. ... aggiesal Feb 2019 #14
Conservatives cancelled Ontario's basic income test because it was working progressively. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #15
That's why Finland rakes their forests! IronLionZion Feb 2019 #16
This is a discussion that the US will have to have. Johnny2X2X Feb 2019 #17
+1 n/t area51 Feb 2019 #19
I Am So For This Idea colsohlibgal Feb 2019 #18
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