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40. Invalid inference due to fallacy of Relevance Through Presumption

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Mon Jul 8, 2019, 11:11 AM

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Epstein Clinton link? [View all] groundloop Jul 2019 OP

I'm expecting something but I don't know what. no_hypocrisy Jul 2019 #1

You can start here: EffieBlack Jul 2019 #2

Thanks, that was ever so helpful. groundloop Jul 2019 #12

I guess if you couldn't find anything on google, maybe you should self-delete your OP? emulatorloo Jul 2019 #28

. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #80

Duh? n/t rzemanfl Jul 2019 #84

If you couldn't find that "Epstein Clinton link" on google, perhaps it doesn't exist? George II Jul 2019 #99

or vox? Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #127

I've heard about that, too gratuitous Jul 2019 #3

Excellent post underpants Jul 2019 #8

I've heard this too and I agree with it Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #11

becausae :"clinton' pangaia Jul 2019 #46

Bingo sheshe2 Jul 2019 #106

just preparing for the worse, hoping for the best... samnsara Jul 2019 #77

There has never been any evidence that Clinton was involved with Epstein's sleazy sex life EffieBlack Jul 2019 #22

And yet I can almost guarantee you they will talk about it as much as the link with rump Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 #35

Oh yeah mcar Jul 2019 #93

America jumped the shark, or humped it, when it allowed putin to install the traitor Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 #112

And they will be lead by Joe Scarborough who is obsessed with Bill Clinton. mfcorey1 Jul 2019 #182

The only thing I heard from Joe today was that EVERYBODY knew about Epstein lapucelle Jul 2019 #183

That's what I think as well DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #82

Unless they can't bring it up for one important reason Polybius Jul 2019 #186

You're so right. lapucelle Jul 2019 #89

Stop letting facts get in the way of a good Clinton bashing! mcar Jul 2019 #94

The long knives have come out, haven't they? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #119

They always do mcar Jul 2019 #142

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #120

That is very encouraging. Thanks for posting it. aikoaiko Jul 2019 #152

Kenneth Starr would had brought it out back then if it existed. LiberalFighter Jul 2019 #104

Agree....but.... Pachamama Jul 2019 #179

That code needs to get smashed. LiberalFighter Jul 2019 #189

+1000000 Pachamama Jul 2019 #190

So true... the Rethugs have been digging Zoonart Jul 2019 #176

Exactly, rape is rape. Doesn't matter if R or D. If guilty, they need to be in prison. MLAA Jul 2019 #23

They also have to be a special kind of stupid to think that if Clinton were connected to any of this StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #37

+ JI7 Jul 2019 #39

+ Baltimike Jul 2019 #42

true uponit7771 Jul 2019 #69

Yep uponit7771 Jul 2019 #68

The Clintons were friendly with the orange abomination at one time. cwydro Jul 2019 #4

"friendly" in both cases is likely an exaggeration karynnj Jul 2019 #62

They were invited and attended one of the Trump DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #83

"Run together?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #109

That's just an expression. Wtf? cwydro Jul 2019 #126

Just letting you know how it sounded. ehrnst Jul 2019 #132

Well, I must be missing something... cwydro Jul 2019 #133

Surprising fact - Extremely Wealthy People Often Associate With Politicians jberryhill Jul 2019 #5

oooooo maybe thats why pence rushed back.....trump heard of this and pences name samnsara Jul 2019 #14

Mmmm-hmmm jberryhill Jul 2019 #33

Lol! cwydro Jul 2019 #105

LOL leftstreet Jul 2019 #15

I will be shocked watoos Jul 2019 #47

Yes, no doubt you'll be shocked.... jberryhill Jul 2019 #130

"even allude to the action of any public official" lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #124

OMG OMG! Bill Clinton! Hair on fire! Squirrel! yardwork Jul 2019 #6

Wait! What? sheshe2 Jul 2019 #123

Yes there are links. Expect to hear a lot of this on RW media underpants Jul 2019 #7

I've heard about Clinton flying on Epstein's plane, but I never heard anything more than that. Arkansas Granny Jul 2019 #9

Yeah, that's all I've come up with too. groundloop Jul 2019 #16

Impossible to prove a negative EffieBlack Jul 2019 #24

yup, while ignoring facts about those others they support JI7 Jul 2019 #27

Absolutely. And repubs are very gifted at exploiting that fact. groundloop Jul 2019 #31

If you can't find facts, then why would you want to spread these rumors? emulatorloo Jul 2019 #36

That's probably all you've "come up with" because that's probably all that happened. lapucelle Jul 2019 #59

Tell them to prove their allegations. lunatica Jul 2019 #92

Well, calling it bullshit and lies is pretty much what you do... ehrnst Jul 2019 #118

I smell PizzaGate 2, the sequel coming. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #149

Can I get mine with pepperoni? George II Jul 2019 #162

Bologna! sheshe2 Jul 2019 #165

Epstein also was connected to the Clinton Foundation lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #57

"Epstein also was connected to the Clinton Foundation ... possibly as one of the co-founders"? lapucelle Jul 2019 #65

ok... lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #71

The Clinton Foundation and The Clinton Global Initiative are two different things. lapucelle Jul 2019 #79

Well if Epstein's lawyer said it... mcar Jul 2019 #95

IKR...and then to leap to the conclusion the Epstein was a "co-founder" of the Clinton Foundation... lapucelle Jul 2019 #97

Lots of baseless speculation going on here mcar Jul 2019 #98

Spouting irresponsible nonsense like "pathological privacy led HRC to set up the private server lapucelle Jul 2019 #100

... mcar Jul 2019 #103

SMH StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #138

Then it must be true!!!! sheshe2 Jul 2019 #150

Right? mcar Jul 2019 #153

That's not what you said. That's not the Clinton Foundation. ehrnst Jul 2019 #116

He was a member of that Global initiative thing. The money didn't go directly to the Foundation. pnwmom Jul 2019 #122

Here's a list of speakers at the final CGI meeting. lapucelle Jul 2019 #140

Yes, they were doing some good work! nt pnwmom Jul 2019 #141

Well, that's not a backhanded unfounded smear of Bill Clinton AT ALL. ehrnst Jul 2019 #115

I said that despite 4 of the "girls" now women coming forward and naming lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #121

Wasn't that tossed around here in the 2016 primary wars? sweetloukillbot Jul 2019 #10

This won't go well here. Mach1miles Jul 2019 #13

i know....i hate to see Bill being brought up again. Poor Hills.. she cant catch a break.. samnsara Jul 2019 #19

Can we focus on current people in power first? If there are dems at fault we will call Tech Jul 2019 #17

Epstein donated millions to the Clinton Foundation. GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #18

Source for that donation? There are many "donations" attributed to the foundation that weren't ehrnst Jul 2019 #117

Do you have a non-rightwing link for that? pnwmom Jul 2019 #125

I don't know about you but I'm not holding my breath... (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #137

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #20

You're doing a lot of baseless speculation with absolutely no evidence EffieBlack Jul 2019 #25

Just inferences from real history. Otherwise, point taken. We shall see. eom elfin Jul 2019 #30

Invalid inference due to fallacy of Relevance Through Presumption LanternWaste Jul 2019 #40

Smears that came from someone's imagination, especially concerning HRC 'covering' for Bill ehrnst Jul 2019 #108

Well said n/t emulatorloo Jul 2019 #32

Welcome to DU jberryhill Jul 2019 #34

Wait, Wait RobinA Jul 2019 #45

No, Trump was brought down by Michael Avenatti jberryhill Jul 2019 #60

even if there is evidence trump molested girls AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #101

The private server was set up in 2002 on the advice of the Secret Service lapucelle Jul 2019 #54

that is incorrect, the original server was set up in 2008 and it was in 2009 that Sec Clinton Celerity Jul 2019 #129

A domain account was set up for HRC after a replacement server was installed. N/T lapucelle Jul 2019 #136

It sounds like "probably" someone is "hoping" what they "inferred" is proven true. ehrnst Jul 2019 #110

Epstein was probably friendly with a lot of important people, The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #21

Why ask Democrats for "dirt" on former President Clinton? Unexpected. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #26

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #29

Where did you hear that? lapucelle Jul 2019 #58

Probably the same place Melissa B down below did Calculating Jul 2019 #61

She didn't say that WJC "flew out to Epstein's 'private island' multiple times". You said that. lapucelle Jul 2019 #73

Forgot about Clinton still having a secret service security detail DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #85

I don't think Secret Service would ignore criminal behavior. N/T lapucelle Jul 2019 #87

I don't think so either DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #143

Are you saying that among Bill Clintons "moral failings" might be the rape underage girls ehrnst Jul 2019 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author njhoneybadger Jul 2019 #38

Maybe Pence is a little bit scared solara Jul 2019 #41

Let the chips fall where they may Jose Garcia Jul 2019 #43

In all the years since he went to Africa w/Epstein WhiteTara Jul 2019 #44

There are pictures of Epstein's "girlfriend" Ghislaine Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2019 #48

I hope Clinton isn't involved in this, but did he fly on that plane 26 times because the seats were MelissaB Jul 2019 #49

Let me put your troubled mind at ease. lapucelle Jul 2019 #86

Thanks! MelissaB Jul 2019 #166

I assume you're going to delete post that now you have been shown it's a lie? ehrnst Jul 2019 #113

Oh, good grief! MelissaB Jul 2019 #167

So you're not going to delete a post that perpetuates a debunked smear? ehrnst Jul 2019 #168

He's listed on the flight logs I think 19 times. MelissaB Jul 2019 #178

So are you still "not expecting the best" lapucelle Jul 2019 #184

Flight logs: MelissaB Jul 2019 #187

Bill Clinton's name (along with "4 Secret Service") appears twice in those 73 pages of logs. lapucelle Jul 2019 #188

I think Epstein will be pardoned by 45 before any trial. AJT Jul 2019 #50

Seems like that would be pretty bad for the Donald in the polls Calculating Jul 2019 #64

Maybe, but if 45 is implicated in a trial the pardon would be better than the ugly AJT Jul 2019 #66

It's funny, the republicans generally want the trial to go through because of Bill Clinton Calculating Jul 2019 #74

"I heard that Bill Clinton flew out to Epstein's 'private island' multiple times"... lapucelle Jul 2019 #90

His religious base worships Trump and Trump alone. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #67

They won't mind. BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #88

"Pardoning a child rapist? Idk how well that would go with his religious base." LenaBaby61 Jul 2019 #91

I've seen it mentioned on CNN and M$NBC.... spanone Jul 2019 #51

Dirty laundry. saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #52

What I generally ask Bettie Jul 2019 #53

Per DUer Duppers--26 times. panader0 Jul 2019 #55

The cited "fact" is from a Fox News report lapucelle Jul 2019 #154

Here's my post on the subject: I said "a few times". panader0 Jul 2019 #155

Here's the post that I responded to. lapucelle Jul 2019 #159

Duppers has since deleted that post after seeing the error panader0 Jul 2019 #160

Yes. He deleted it two minutes after it was revealed that it was a Fox News "fact". lapucelle Jul 2019 #161

Bill Clinton said he flew on his plane four times, and never went to the island. George II Jul 2019 #163

Yes, but Fox News said... lapucelle Jul 2019 #164

And now the poster seems to have just self-deleted the misattributed Fox News claim. lapucelle Jul 2019 #157

Multiple times on 4 trips. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #173

I hope to God Bill Clinton isn't caught up in this MaryMagdaline Jul 2019 #56

You sound so doubtful for one who claims to have "hope." ehrnst Jul 2019 #139

Of course he will be "caught up" in this -- so will Hillary. But that means nothing. pnwmom Jul 2019 #144

I'm sure you'll be relieved to know that WJC's office has issued a statement! lapucelle Jul 2019 #148

You all think BC rapes 13 year olds and lusts after his daughter like trump does? Nt maryellen99 Jul 2019 #63

+1, no one would be shocked at red Don wrapped up in this crap uponit7771 Jul 2019 #70

They're reporting today that BC visited Epstein's island as well as flew in the plane. Vinca Jul 2019 #72

Me too I think they are going to only charge Democrats for this and trump will skate away nt maryellen99 Jul 2019 #75

i know.. i feel the same way.. i hate to throw BC under the bus to get at... samnsara Jul 2019 #76

Who is reporting that? Do you have a link? lapucelle Jul 2019 #134

It was on either MSNBC or CNN. In any case, Clinton put out a statement and denied it. Vinca Jul 2019 #169

Either CNN or MSNBC was reporting that Bill Clinton visited Epstein's Island? lapucelle Jul 2019 #170

It was before the Secret Service report was made public. Vinca Jul 2019 #171

The point about the Secret Service was made public in October 2016 after Fox's FOIA request lapucelle Jul 2019 #172

That's nice. You better let MSNBC and CNN know. They aren't the only outlets who have reported Vinca Jul 2019 #174

And that brings me back to my original question...do you have a link to any of the many outlets lapucelle Jul 2019 #177

Don't know how Bill Clinton is connected Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2019 #78

Or pictured enjoying a lap dance with his young daughter. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #128

Prison for any and all who participated, protected, financed etc, TalenaGor Jul 2019 #81

Your concern is noted. ehrnst Jul 2019 #96

Allan Dersowitiz (sp), Clinton, Prince Harry(?) and Trump centrarchus Jul 2019 #102

Prince Andrew, not Prince Harry. cwydro Jul 2019 #107

Prince Andrew not Harry nt maryellen99 Jul 2019 #114

Welcome to DU! lapucelle Jul 2019 #147

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Wait for Hannity and Carlson to weigh in. captain queeg Jul 2019 #131

One victim, Virgina riverwalker Jul 2019 #135

According to Secret Service records, Clinton was never there. lapucelle Jul 2019 #145

Link Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #175

My concern is for real justice for the victims. democrank Jul 2019 #146

Just a few words saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #151

I ECHO YOUR WORDS. THIS IS A BAD THREAD. Just a few words Please self delete. trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #156

trueblue, deleting my remarks, easy saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #158

As of last night snowybirdie Jul 2019 #180

Kenneth Starr ws one attorney for Epstein who arranged light sentence delisen Jul 2019 #181

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #185