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In reply to the discussion: Epstein Clinton link? [View all]

karynnj

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62. "friendly" in both cases is likely an exaggeration
Mon Jul 8, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jul 2019

Epstein was/is a very wealthy man, who leaned toward Democrats in his political contributions - as did a younger Donald Trump. Very wealthy donors get invited to parties and private events for candidates. This gives them the perception that they have access to the candidate and that they will be listened to - and, in fact, they do have some impact on positions. However, it does not really make them friends.

In Bill Clinton's case, he also raised money for his Foundation, that does good work - which it could not do without the money that he raises. The comments that Epstein provided a plane for a trip to Africa for Clinton and others from the Foundation is no different than this -- and the key is what Clinton did on that trip. He was there supporting and reviewing programs that his Foundation sponsored that did things like fight AIDS.

No one is one dimensional and people do compartmentalize their lives. Epstein clearly wanted to be seen as one of the power elite --and he got some level of that by giving money. I would bet that Epstein was smart enough to know that many of the influential people he gave money to to make himself connected to the rich and powerful, would work to get him charged and end trafficking if they saw anything of that nature. For someone skilled at estimating risk, it is very likely that what he gave for access was legal contributions to campaigns, PACs, and NGOs .. rather than offering something illegal and immoral, which if exposed would destroy their careers?

It is possible that others, who seemed to share the same lack of values were completely aware of everything.

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Epstein Clinton link? [View all] groundloop Jul 2019 OP
I'm expecting something but I don't know what. no_hypocrisy Jul 2019 #1
You can start here: EffieBlack Jul 2019 #2
Thanks, that was ever so helpful. groundloop Jul 2019 #12
I guess if you couldn't find anything on google, maybe you should self-delete your OP? emulatorloo Jul 2019 #28
. Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #80
Duh? n/t rzemanfl Jul 2019 #84
If you couldn't find that "Epstein Clinton link" on google, perhaps it doesn't exist? George II Jul 2019 #99
or vox? Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #127
I've heard about that, too gratuitous Jul 2019 #3
Excellent post underpants Jul 2019 #8
I've heard this too and I agree with it Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #11
becausae :"clinton' pangaia Jul 2019 #46
Bingo sheshe2 Jul 2019 #106
just preparing for the worse, hoping for the best... samnsara Jul 2019 #77
There has never been any evidence that Clinton was involved with Epstein's sleazy sex life EffieBlack Jul 2019 #22
And yet I can almost guarantee you they will talk about it as much as the link with rump Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 #35
Oh yeah mcar Jul 2019 #93
America jumped the shark, or humped it, when it allowed putin to install the traitor Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 #112
And they will be lead by Joe Scarborough who is obsessed with Bill Clinton. mfcorey1 Jul 2019 #182
The only thing I heard from Joe today was that EVERYBODY knew about Epstein lapucelle Jul 2019 #183
That's what I think as well DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #82
Unless they can't bring it up for one important reason Polybius Jul 2019 #186
You're so right. lapucelle Jul 2019 #89
Stop letting facts get in the way of a good Clinton bashing! mcar Jul 2019 #94
The long knives have come out, haven't they? (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #119
They always do mcar Jul 2019 #142
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #120
That is very encouraging. Thanks for posting it. aikoaiko Jul 2019 #152
Kenneth Starr would had brought it out back then if it existed. LiberalFighter Jul 2019 #104
Agree....but.... Pachamama Jul 2019 #179
That code needs to get smashed. LiberalFighter Jul 2019 #189
+1000000 Pachamama Jul 2019 #190
So true... the Rethugs have been digging Zoonart Jul 2019 #176
Exactly, rape is rape. Doesn't matter if R or D. If guilty, they need to be in prison. MLAA Jul 2019 #23
They also have to be a special kind of stupid to think that if Clinton were connected to any of this StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #37
+ JI7 Jul 2019 #39
+ Baltimike Jul 2019 #42
true uponit7771 Jul 2019 #69
Yep uponit7771 Jul 2019 #68
The Clintons were friendly with the orange abomination at one time. cwydro Jul 2019 #4
"friendly" in both cases is likely an exaggeration karynnj Jul 2019 #62
They were invited and attended one of the Trump DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #83
"Run together?" ehrnst Jul 2019 #109
That's just an expression. Wtf? cwydro Jul 2019 #126
Just letting you know how it sounded. ehrnst Jul 2019 #132
Well, I must be missing something... cwydro Jul 2019 #133
Surprising fact - Extremely Wealthy People Often Associate With Politicians jberryhill Jul 2019 #5
oooooo maybe thats why pence rushed back.....trump heard of this and pences name samnsara Jul 2019 #14
Mmmm-hmmm jberryhill Jul 2019 #33
Lol! cwydro Jul 2019 #105
LOL leftstreet Jul 2019 #15
I will be shocked watoos Jul 2019 #47
Yes, no doubt you'll be shocked.... jberryhill Jul 2019 #130
"even allude to the action of any public official" lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #124
OMG OMG! Bill Clinton! Hair on fire! Squirrel! yardwork Jul 2019 #6
Wait! What? sheshe2 Jul 2019 #123
Yes there are links. Expect to hear a lot of this on RW media underpants Jul 2019 #7
I've heard about Clinton flying on Epstein's plane, but I never heard anything more than that. Arkansas Granny Jul 2019 #9
Yeah, that's all I've come up with too. groundloop Jul 2019 #16
Impossible to prove a negative EffieBlack Jul 2019 #24
yup, while ignoring facts about those others they support JI7 Jul 2019 #27
Absolutely. And repubs are very gifted at exploiting that fact. groundloop Jul 2019 #31
If you can't find facts, then why would you want to spread these rumors? emulatorloo Jul 2019 #36
That's probably all you've "come up with" because that's probably all that happened. lapucelle Jul 2019 #59
Tell them to prove their allegations. lunatica Jul 2019 #92
Well, calling it bullshit and lies is pretty much what you do... ehrnst Jul 2019 #118
I smell PizzaGate 2, the sequel coming. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #149
Can I get mine with pepperoni? George II Jul 2019 #162
Bologna! sheshe2 Jul 2019 #165
Epstein also was connected to the Clinton Foundation lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #57
"Epstein also was connected to the Clinton Foundation ... possibly as one of the co-founders"? lapucelle Jul 2019 #65
ok... lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #71
The Clinton Foundation and The Clinton Global Initiative are two different things. lapucelle Jul 2019 #79
Well if Epstein's lawyer said it... mcar Jul 2019 #95
IKR...and then to leap to the conclusion the Epstein was a "co-founder" of the Clinton Foundation... lapucelle Jul 2019 #97
Lots of baseless speculation going on here mcar Jul 2019 #98
Spouting irresponsible nonsense like "pathological privacy led HRC to set up the private server lapucelle Jul 2019 #100
... mcar Jul 2019 #103
SMH StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #138
Then it must be true!!!! sheshe2 Jul 2019 #150
Right? mcar Jul 2019 #153
That's not what you said. That's not the Clinton Foundation. ehrnst Jul 2019 #116
He was a member of that Global initiative thing. The money didn't go directly to the Foundation. pnwmom Jul 2019 #122
Here's a list of speakers at the final CGI meeting. lapucelle Jul 2019 #140
Yes, they were doing some good work! nt pnwmom Jul 2019 #141
Well, that's not a backhanded unfounded smear of Bill Clinton AT ALL. ehrnst Jul 2019 #115
I said that despite 4 of the "girls" now women coming forward and naming lapfog_1 Jul 2019 #121
Wasn't that tossed around here in the 2016 primary wars? sweetloukillbot Jul 2019 #10
This won't go well here. Mach1miles Jul 2019 #13
i know....i hate to see Bill being brought up again. Poor Hills.. she cant catch a break.. samnsara Jul 2019 #19
Can we focus on current people in power first? If there are dems at fault we will call Tech Jul 2019 #17
Epstein donated millions to the Clinton Foundation. GoCubsGo Jul 2019 #18
Source for that donation? There are many "donations" attributed to the foundation that weren't ehrnst Jul 2019 #117
Do you have a non-rightwing link for that? pnwmom Jul 2019 #125
I don't know about you but I'm not holding my breath... (nt) ehrnst Jul 2019 #137
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #20
You're doing a lot of baseless speculation with absolutely no evidence EffieBlack Jul 2019 #25
Just inferences from real history. Otherwise, point taken. We shall see. eom elfin Jul 2019 #30
Invalid inference due to fallacy of Relevance Through Presumption LanternWaste Jul 2019 #40
Smears that came from someone's imagination, especially concerning HRC 'covering' for Bill ehrnst Jul 2019 #108
Well said n/t emulatorloo Jul 2019 #32
Welcome to DU jberryhill Jul 2019 #34
Wait, Wait RobinA Jul 2019 #45
No, Trump was brought down by Michael Avenatti jberryhill Jul 2019 #60
even if there is evidence trump molested girls AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #101
The private server was set up in 2002 on the advice of the Secret Service lapucelle Jul 2019 #54
that is incorrect, the original server was set up in 2008 and it was in 2009 that Sec Clinton Celerity Jul 2019 #129
A domain account was set up for HRC after a replacement server was installed. N/T lapucelle Jul 2019 #136
It sounds like "probably" someone is "hoping" what they "inferred" is proven true. ehrnst Jul 2019 #110
Epstein was probably friendly with a lot of important people, The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #21
Why ask Democrats for "dirt" on former President Clinton? Unexpected. n/t Judi Lynn Jul 2019 #26
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #29
Where did you hear that? lapucelle Jul 2019 #58
Probably the same place Melissa B down below did Calculating Jul 2019 #61
She didn't say that WJC "flew out to Epstein's 'private island' multiple times". You said that. lapucelle Jul 2019 #73
Forgot about Clinton still having a secret service security detail DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #85
I don't think Secret Service would ignore criminal behavior. N/T lapucelle Jul 2019 #87
I don't think so either DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #143
Are you saying that among Bill Clintons "moral failings" might be the rape underage girls ehrnst Jul 2019 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author njhoneybadger Jul 2019 #38
Maybe Pence is a little bit scared solara Jul 2019 #41
Let the chips fall where they may Jose Garcia Jul 2019 #43
In all the years since he went to Africa w/Epstein WhiteTara Jul 2019 #44
There are pictures of Epstein's "girlfriend" Ghislaine Maxwell at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2019 #48
I hope Clinton isn't involved in this, but did he fly on that plane 26 times because the seats were MelissaB Jul 2019 #49
Let me put your troubled mind at ease. lapucelle Jul 2019 #86
Thanks! MelissaB Jul 2019 #166
I assume you're going to delete post that now you have been shown it's a lie? ehrnst Jul 2019 #113
Oh, good grief! MelissaB Jul 2019 #167
So you're not going to delete a post that perpetuates a debunked smear? ehrnst Jul 2019 #168
He's listed on the flight logs I think 19 times. MelissaB Jul 2019 #178
So are you still "not expecting the best" lapucelle Jul 2019 #184
Flight logs: MelissaB Jul 2019 #187
Bill Clinton's name (along with "4 Secret Service") appears twice in those 73 pages of logs. lapucelle Jul 2019 #188
I think Epstein will be pardoned by 45 before any trial. AJT Jul 2019 #50
Seems like that would be pretty bad for the Donald in the polls Calculating Jul 2019 #64
Maybe, but if 45 is implicated in a trial the pardon would be better than the ugly AJT Jul 2019 #66
It's funny, the republicans generally want the trial to go through because of Bill Clinton Calculating Jul 2019 #74
"I heard that Bill Clinton flew out to Epstein's 'private island' multiple times"... lapucelle Jul 2019 #90
His religious base worships Trump and Trump alone. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #67
They won't mind. BannonsLiver Jul 2019 #88
"Pardoning a child rapist? Idk how well that would go with his religious base." LenaBaby61 Jul 2019 #91
I've seen it mentioned on CNN and M$NBC.... spanone Jul 2019 #51
Dirty laundry. saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #52
What I generally ask Bettie Jul 2019 #53
Per DUer Duppers--26 times. panader0 Jul 2019 #55
The cited "fact" is from a Fox News report lapucelle Jul 2019 #154
Here's my post on the subject: I said "a few times". panader0 Jul 2019 #155
Here's the post that I responded to. lapucelle Jul 2019 #159
Duppers has since deleted that post after seeing the error panader0 Jul 2019 #160
Yes. He deleted it two minutes after it was revealed that it was a Fox News "fact". lapucelle Jul 2019 #161
Bill Clinton said he flew on his plane four times, and never went to the island. George II Jul 2019 #163
Yes, but Fox News said... lapucelle Jul 2019 #164
And now the poster seems to have just self-deleted the misattributed Fox News claim. lapucelle Jul 2019 #157
Multiple times on 4 trips. Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #173
I hope to God Bill Clinton isn't caught up in this MaryMagdaline Jul 2019 #56
You sound so doubtful for one who claims to have "hope." ehrnst Jul 2019 #139
Of course he will be "caught up" in this -- so will Hillary. But that means nothing. pnwmom Jul 2019 #144
I'm sure you'll be relieved to know that WJC's office has issued a statement! lapucelle Jul 2019 #148
You all think BC rapes 13 year olds and lusts after his daughter like trump does? Nt maryellen99 Jul 2019 #63
+1, no one would be shocked at red Don wrapped up in this crap uponit7771 Jul 2019 #70
They're reporting today that BC visited Epstein's island as well as flew in the plane. Vinca Jul 2019 #72
Me too I think they are going to only charge Democrats for this and trump will skate away nt maryellen99 Jul 2019 #75
i know.. i feel the same way.. i hate to throw BC under the bus to get at... samnsara Jul 2019 #76
Who is reporting that? Do you have a link? lapucelle Jul 2019 #134
It was on either MSNBC or CNN. In any case, Clinton put out a statement and denied it. Vinca Jul 2019 #169
Either CNN or MSNBC was reporting that Bill Clinton visited Epstein's Island? lapucelle Jul 2019 #170
It was before the Secret Service report was made public. Vinca Jul 2019 #171
The point about the Secret Service was made public in October 2016 after Fox's FOIA request lapucelle Jul 2019 #172
That's nice. You better let MSNBC and CNN know. They aren't the only outlets who have reported Vinca Jul 2019 #174
And that brings me back to my original question...do you have a link to any of the many outlets lapucelle Jul 2019 #177
Don't know how Bill Clinton is connected Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2019 #78
Or pictured enjoying a lap dance with his young daughter. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #128
Prison for any and all who participated, protected, financed etc, TalenaGor Jul 2019 #81
Your concern is noted. ehrnst Jul 2019 #96
Allan Dersowitiz (sp), Clinton, Prince Harry(?) and Trump centrarchus Jul 2019 #102
Prince Andrew, not Prince Harry. cwydro Jul 2019 #107
Prince Andrew not Harry nt maryellen99 Jul 2019 #114
Welcome to DU! lapucelle Jul 2019 #147
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Wait for Hannity and Carlson to weigh in. captain queeg Jul 2019 #131
One victim, Virgina riverwalker Jul 2019 #135
According to Secret Service records, Clinton was never there. lapucelle Jul 2019 #145
Link Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #175
My concern is for real justice for the victims. democrank Jul 2019 #146
Just a few words saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #151
I ECHO YOUR WORDS. THIS IS A BAD THREAD. Just a few words Please self delete. trueblue2007 Jul 2019 #156
trueblue, deleting my remarks, easy saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #158
As of last night snowybirdie Jul 2019 #180
Kenneth Starr ws one attorney for Epstein who arranged light sentence delisen Jul 2019 #181
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jul 2019 #185
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