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Ms. Toad

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31. Crazy opposition - likely not.

Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:20 PM

Mar 2020

People who just think vaccines are evil are likely to think the same about the COVID 19 vaccine.

But there is another group of people who thoughtfully evaulate the risks and benefits of each vaccine (both personal and societal) and get most, but not all vaccines. I am in that category. COVID 19 will not make me reevaulate my approach to vaccines - but I am likely to come to a different decision about COVID 19 than I do about the seasonal flu vaccine - both because it is targeting a specific virus (making it more likely to be effective against that virus) AND becuase the societal risk is far more disastrous (making me more willing to take the personal risks).

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Without a vaccine, can we ever get back to "normal"? [View all] OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2020 OP

Yes, please look at South Korea (link) they're nearly back to normal uponit7771 Mar 2020 #1

Sure, I mean whatever passes for "normal" in South Korea ck4829 Mar 2020 #4

What's the data say as to the state of COVID-19 infection rates, new cases, reoccuring cases? OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2020 #6

Imperial College Report says 18 months... JCMach1 Mar 2020 #9

"No one wants to talk about that part of the model." OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2020 #12

Short of a quick vaccine, or significant prophylaxis JCMach1 Mar 2020 #20

JH website has SK and China bottomed out on infection rate (link) uponit7771 Mar 2020 #15

If they fully open back up they will reinfect JCMach1 Mar 2020 #16

True, right now they're closed to all travelers from the outside but they're not locked down like we uponit7771 Mar 2020 #22

From what I'm reading, it's too early to tell because.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #50

+1 bronxiteforever Mar 2020 #7

Eventually herd immunity will kick in. We bore horrific death tolls from epidemics in the past, but GreenPartyVoter Mar 2020 #2

I hope so but DesertRat Mar 2020 #29

Realize that a lot more people have already had it and recovered than we know. bearsfootball516 Mar 2020 #52

Do we have any factual information on that Dan Mar 2020 #53

I don't think so, just common sense. bearsfootball516 Mar 2020 #54

If the virus does not mutate, herd immunity can get us back to normal, but LuckyCharms Mar 2020 #3

Look up donco Mar 2020 #5

And I didn't, although I rode a crowded NYC bus marybourg Mar 2020 #55

God, I hate the anti-vaxx movement with the heat of a thousand white-hot suns. Aristus Mar 2020 #8

Yeah it's the sheer stupidity of some people that is going to drag this out months. Initech Mar 2020 #35

I don't think so. Personally, I am not going to go back to normal social ooky Mar 2020 #10

When a vaccine is available, the same people who get the flu vaccine MineralMan Mar 2020 #11

Same! Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2020 #13

Not necessarily. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #24

even 50% is better then 0% Marrah_Goodman Mar 2020 #25

Crazy opposition - likely not. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #31

When it is first offered to the public, we will not know how effective it is, MineralMan Mar 2020 #26

We will have a better idea than the seasonal influenza. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #30

COVID-19 might well mutate into a somewhat different strain, too. MineralMan Mar 2020 #46

It is more likely to be a good match. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #65

Totally different scenario. We have to guess on the flu vaccine GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #61

That is my expectation, as well Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #62

Right. You would think by now we would learn. GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #64

That is when normal will return to my life redstateblues Mar 2020 #36

I disagree. LizBeth Mar 2020 #48

OK. MineralMan Mar 2020 #57

I think that they can Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2020 #14

Yes, in a few months there will be quite a bit of herd immunity and then we will have lots of tests Quixote1818 Mar 2020 #17

You mean, South Korea, right? Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2020 #19

Lol. Yes. Nt Quixote1818 Mar 2020 #58

Yes, I Believe So DarthDem Mar 2020 #18

Somehow we tend to think that since they returned to normal Igel Mar 2020 #37

Probably... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #21

Probably not. roamer65 Mar 2020 #23

There will be a vaccine eventually. COVID-19 is in no way an extraordinary virus. DetlefK Mar 2020 #27

The problem is that it's a brand new virus that our immune marybourg Mar 2020 #56

I think we'll have effective treatment DesertRat Mar 2020 #28

This Bleacher Creature Mar 2020 #33

Tamiflu does not work that well across the board redstateblues Mar 2020 #38

If it takes until the end of this year millions will have already died. n/t totodeinhere Mar 2020 #41

Well...coronaviruses as a class are usually mild respiratory illnesses...also known as "a cold". Moostache Mar 2020 #32

WE WILL GET BACK TO NORMAL. GaYellowDawg Mar 2020 #34

No. And we should not want to get back to normal. MoonlitKnight Mar 2020 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author DesertRat Mar 2020 #43

Who knows if it will even be possible to develop a vaccine. totodeinhere Mar 2020 #40

Unnecessarily pessimistic IMO DarthDem Mar 2020 #42

Well excuse me for being pessimistic. Poeple are dropping like flies in New York and I am totodeinhere Mar 2020 #44

No need to ask to be excused at all . . . DarthDem Mar 2020 #47

I would rather be realistic. totodeinhere Mar 2020 #60

+1 ProfessorGAC Mar 2020 #45

I would have preferred a zombie apocalypse to this. redwitch Mar 2020 #63

I also think in time, they will find different ways of treating this. I am hearing a couple things LizBeth Mar 2020 #49

My guess... FarPoint Mar 2020 #51

Nope customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #59