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ismnotwasm

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29. The police have had plenty of opportunities to police themselves
Thu Oct 1, 2020, 08:37 PM
Oct 2020

That they have chosen NOT to do so is deadly. There’s an ex cop on TikTok who talks about being a cop on the hard streets of NYC somewhere, and he never used his gun. Didn’t need body armor, etc.

Which got me thinking. While “defunding the police” is absolutely horrible framing, the actual ideas behind it aren’t. Cops aren’t qualified in DV, child abuse, mental illness, yet we keep throwing them at those situations.

Cops in Seattle got nailed by the FEDS years ago for police brutality. Police brutality shouldn’t be a thing, it is because of poor training or a shitty culture. Or both.

Couple weeks ago, my 3 year old granddaughter face-planted bad enough to need stitches in her tongue. We were in a remote area. On the way to the hospital, baby feel asleep and didn’t seem to want to wake up. 911 was called. The EMTs out there are volunteers, but there was a social worker there as well because a minor child was involved , and one police officer. It was all calm and good. Social worker took point after the EMT finally got baby to open her mouth to see the tongue. Cop is hanging around, in case the situation was different than presented. (We are all white, on a Native American reservation for a small vacation.)

So, The whole “defunding“ plan is, to my understanding is to set up scenarios like this. Let more experts in their fields take point, with cops providing backup. Police need to learn personal accountability and to be able to step away when it’s not their arena. This will take really, really decent human beings as cops. Better than they are encouraged to be right now. They take a call for bizarre behavior? Ascertain safety and let MHPs take point. Cops go into a lot of really shitty situations, the worst humanity has to offer, which is why they are all butt hurt right now, but they also don’t seem to want the help they need, OR it’s not available if they do want it.

And they need to fucking acknowledge systemic racism. They need to shitcan every cop that shows those inclinations.

Our police model is as broken as are so many other things. Broken, or rather unevolved.



Yeah. Go ahead. Ban police unions. Pave the way to banning all unions. Then watch the little Squinch Oct 2020 #1
Police Unions did that themselves. ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2020 #3
It was the police unions DLCWIdem Oct 2020 #21
Wtf? Ban unions and they'll make more money because they won't have to pay uppityperson Oct 2020 #2
I can't think of 1 time when banning unions has resulted in higher pay for the former... SKKY Oct 2020 #22
Unfortunately qwlauren35 Oct 2020 #4
100% agree. OnDoutside Oct 2020 #13
The police have had plenty of opportunities to police themselves ismnotwasm Oct 2020 #29
Democrats are pro Union always have been. So no. pwb Oct 2020 #5
i dont know how the cops in chi even carry the packs they wear these says. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #34
Remove unions from involvement in disciplinary actions Fresh_Start Oct 2020 #6
Maybe instead of 5-6 months of Police Academy ... GeorgeGist Oct 2020 #7
This exactly. Other western nations school their recruits much longer... brush Oct 2020 #11
I support "Dedumb the Police" BamaRefugee Oct 2020 #8
I do not dig your anti-union sentiment. It reeks of anti-worker subversion. LanternWaste Oct 2020 #9
I'm starting to think that the slogan defund the police was made up by a Republican. Walleye Oct 2020 #10
That isn't true JonLP24 Oct 2020 #30
Sorry, getting suspicious of everything. How about disarm the police just for an now. Walleye Oct 2020 #32
Biden supports community policing which isn't anything new JonLP24 Oct 2020 #33
I want to get the white supremacists out of law enforcement. Initech Oct 2020 #12
We are NOT going ban any unions. ismnotwasm Oct 2020 #14
Funny as a 16 year old marching against the Viet Nam war in New Haven I was surprised one of dem4decades Oct 2020 #15
NO Ferrets are Cool Oct 2020 #16
Put the union issue aside for a moment matt819 Oct 2020 #17
This. All this. And take back all the damn tanks and flame throwers that have been bought by Squinch Oct 2020 #28
The decline of unions is one reason for the rising inequality mvd Oct 2020 #18
A raise?? They are already over paid for what they do. And yeah, ban police unions and Autumn Oct 2020 #19
Defund the police. aidbo Oct 2020 #20
The Police Union is a Right-wing organization Joe Nation Oct 2020 #23
the construction unions went straight downhill when they threw in w the mob. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #35
As a Union guy and the son of a teamster... RANDYWILDMAN Oct 2020 #24
I'm a union person too. I'm with you. A union only a reflection of those who are unifying. Squinch Oct 2020 #26
Police unions are to unions what Fox News is to news. gulliver Oct 2020 #25
We SHOULD have soldier unions. We should have unions for every profession. Squinch Oct 2020 #27
Police unions donate to DAs that let them off the hook JonLP24 Oct 2020 #31
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