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Tom Rinaldo

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Sat Oct 24, 2020, 11:22 AM Oct 2020

The media keeps suggesting there may be hidden Trump voters... [View all]

Last edited Sat Oct 24, 2020, 02:09 PM - Edit history (1)

They are hidden all right: in fact they are so hard to see because they are being blocked out by millions of disgruntled former Trump supporters and newly engaged Democratic voters.

Of course there are some "hidden" or "secret" or "shy" Trump voters. With some 160 million or so voters out there, there are some of everything. You know what else there are? There are "hidden" or "secret" or "shy" Biden voters too. Those include voters too embarrassed to admit out loud that they could have been so wrong about Trump. Those include life long "Red Dog" Republicans who have a hard time admitting that, for the first time in their life, they will vote for a Democrat' and not just any Democrat, but Barack Obama's VP who has chosen a Black woman to be his own VP. Those voters also include some Republican women married to blow hard Trump supporters who just don't want to rock the boat at home.

But focusing on hidden voters misses the forest for the trees. The American electorate changed dramatically the day after Election Day of 2016, and all evidence supports a conclusion that nothing will change it back while Donald J. Trump remains in office. We have held annual elections since then in 2017, 2018, and 2019, along with numerous special elections throughout those years, and in almost every case Democrats have outperformed. Forget worrying about "hidden voters", and look at the masses assembling in plain sight eager to remove Trump from the presidency. Look at grassroots fundraising, look at early and mail voting, look at all the voices screaming at the top of their lungs that this is the most important election of our lives and everyone has to vote!

Democrats and others who lean to the left are not going to sit out this election. Complacency might have been an issue in prior election cycles prior, but not in this one. Our side is turning out, and we are being joined by increasing numbers of Republicans and right leaning Independents who still actually believe in decency, and the integrity of both our Republic and our international alliances.

There are just two real arguments given for why Biden supporters should not express confidence in his victory. Actually there is only one, the other argument is only relevant for pollsters and pundits. Those political pros are worried about damaging their credibility if they somehow get it wrong and openly suggest that Trump is going down hard but then get it wrong, after Trump already defied the odds once in 2016. Their reputation potentially getting besmirched might be something for them to lose some sleep over since their living depends on it, but worrying about bragging rights doesn't make the list of actual voter concerns: Our lives may well be riding on the outcome of this election.

The other reason given to reign in the specter of "over confidence" is that "over confidence" leads to slackening off, pf not following through, of failing to do all that we can and must do to defeat Donald Trump. May I suggest that there is a core difference between the concept of "confidence" and that of "over confidence?" No one, by literal definition, defends "over confidence" or says that it is a good thing. Over confidence does not exist on the Democratic side of the spectrum this year, because we are not even confident that we can reverse most of the damage to our country that Trump has already done even if Joe Biden is elected President. We are scared for the future of our Democracy. Just evicting Trump from the White House isn't enough. We need a resounding victory to roll back Trumpism with or without Trump in office. We need solid control of the U.S. Senate, we need control of State Legislatures. And we need margins of victory substantial enough that it becomes near impossible for Republicans to steal this election.

And to achieve that we need confidence that all of our efforts can be rewarded. Virtually any scenario conceivable for Trump to steal this election starts out with a premise that the polls must have all been wrong, that "hidden Trump voters" somehow propelled him into an upset victory. Fuck that. We are laying the groundwork for a contested election if we buy into the plausibility of that scenario. We are handing them their weapon of choice on a silver plate by conjuring up the menace of "hidden Trump voters" now. They are like left over ghosts from Halloween, you can't see them but they must be there. Meanwhile we have hoards of defecting Seniors and principled Republicans deserting Trump, and legions of women, highly energized African Americans, and passionately engaged youth coming out for Biden/Harris.

If Trump supporters become demoralized less of them will come out to vote. If they think that Trump still has a chance more of them will come out to vote. I say let's go all in with confidence of victory, and celebrate the likelihood of election results that will go down in history by making additional donations to Democrats, additional phone calls for Democrats, additional outreach to our friends and neighbors for Democrats. Let's pile on with enthusiasm. We have work to do, both before and after Election Day.

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Let them go back under the rocks dalton99a Oct 2020 #1
Hidden voters larking in the shadows Oscarthegreat Oct 2020 #19
I think that most of them are so-called "Undecided Voters" Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2020 #2
I agree. Most "hidden Trump voters" out rhere previously supported Trump Tom Rinaldo Oct 2020 #3
Here in Northern California The Mouth Oct 2020 #8
They're trying to figure out a way to say out loud they're voting for Trump without being shunned. Iggo Oct 2020 #49
Undecideds tend to break heavily for the challenger. radius777 Oct 2020 #52
The media has got nothing else. There's going to have to be a whole lot of them!! Thekaspervote Oct 2020 #4
Yes they are virtual and located in the voting software exboyfil Oct 2020 #5
YES, my thinking exactly DENVERPOPS Oct 2020 #10
Which is a good reason why it is important to firmly establish the narrative Trump is losing big Tom Rinaldo Oct 2020 #13
I appreciate your input, but isn't it a two edged sword and the danger of over confidence. olegramps Oct 2020 #38
"Russian Votes for Republicans are floating around out in Cyberspace" Talitha Oct 2020 #18
Vote flipping DENVERPOPS Oct 2020 #20
I believe many are hidden... Cheezoholic Oct 2020 #6
OF COURSE there are hidden turd voters. not_the_one Oct 2020 #7
That's what I think, as well. Granny M Oct 2020 #51
I like where we're at bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #9
Remember 2018. GOTV Cetacea Oct 2020 #11
This would be Clinton Dole at this point if they didn't greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #12
Well Said, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2020 #14
Don't underestimate these cheaters and treasonous bastards.... Hulk Oct 2020 #15
See post #13 n/t Tom Rinaldo Oct 2020 #17
It's simple, the media making that claim to keep viewers tuning in, a tool of the trade if you will? Brainfodder Oct 2020 #16
I'm a SECRET BIDEN VOTER.... AZ8theist Oct 2020 #21
Of course, the media, regardless of which network Mr.Bill Oct 2020 #22
Exactly Windy City Charlie Oct 2020 #26
Demoralized Trump supporters... LiberalFighter Oct 2020 #23
Great post...well done greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #24
Good post yourself and the point made in 1st paragraph. yonder Oct 2020 #41
I am sick and tired of hearing about these poor trump voters. Enough. All I care about is my SWBTATTReg Oct 2020 #25
less likely so quaker bill Oct 2020 #27
THIS Thanks. n/t Tom Rinaldo Oct 2020 #37
Agree, was listening to a Carville podcast, and he said radius777 Oct 2020 #53
Judges are the hidden voters. NorthOf270 Oct 2020 #28
Yes. It's going to be an ugly November and December while the GOP (after having lost big) C Moon Oct 2020 #33
back in Louisiana azureblue Oct 2020 #29
There are no hidden voters. Either you love him or hate him. There's no in between. Initech Oct 2020 #30
This whole "hidden trump voters" meme gives plausible deniability to Putin's not_the_one Oct 2020 #31
They're saying that so Putin has more wiggle room for screwing with the votes. C Moon Oct 2020 #32
My gut tells me there are a lot more hidden ANTI-TRUMP voters . . . OneBlueSky Oct 2020 #34
My gut agree w/ you totally. There are far more disgruntled trump voters this time around, and SWBTATTReg Oct 2020 #43
Gotta keep the horse race narrative alive Sherman A1 Oct 2020 #35
FYI Trumpocalypse Oct 2020 #36
No, don't stop worrying about hidden Trumpists, GOP vote fraud and suppression, right wing Nitram Oct 2020 #39
He sure hasn't won over any voters. nature-lover Oct 2020 #40
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2020 #42
I am so sorry! ismnotwasm Oct 2020 #44
Same here in NC. zackymilly Oct 2020 #45
I think the media may be unknowingly passing a Russian disinformation effort to suppress the vote. marble falls Oct 2020 #46
THERE IS NO SILENT MAJORITY GETPLANING Oct 2020 #47
They are hidden all right. warmfeet Oct 2020 #48
Are this hidden voters possibly hiding in mama's basement?... Illumination Oct 2020 #50
For the sake of the down-ballot, let them be demoralized and stay home. Earthshine2 Oct 2020 #54
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