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In reply to the discussion: If we all vote and all the votes are counted, the President will win this election. [View all]HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)22. What I don't buy is the "paper trails are expensive" argument. That's bullshit.
The majority of ES&S machines were originally Diebold boxes. A large portion of ATM and POS machines are Diebold. There's no paper trail on voting machines, but EVERY ATM and POS machine (including gas pumps) keeps a physical scrolling trail as well as a consumer receipt. Most of those get tossed out. You can't convince me that adding the same redundant (and serialized) paper trail to a voting machine is going to cost that much.
In a recount, the only thing the damn machines will do is spit out the first rigged number they spit out the first time. There IS no "recount". And yes, Diebold, PES, and ES&S are all Republican-run companies. Color me surprised.
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If we all vote and all the votes are counted, the President will win this election. [View all]
porphyrian
Oct 2012
OP
Agreed, but electronic voting machines are a reality in this election, as they have been since 2000.
porphyrian
Oct 2012
#7
Beyond that, you've got to have some faith that the machines haven't been fucked with.
HopeHoops
Oct 2012
#18
It's easier if the election is actually close. I'm not convinced it will be. n/t
porphyrian
Oct 2012
#19
There's no indication that it will be close. That's why I said "only so much".
HopeHoops
Oct 2012
#20
What I don't buy is the "paper trails are expensive" argument. That's bullshit.
HopeHoops
Oct 2012
#22
It's been privatized all along. Diebold isn't exactly a charity operation and certainly not "gubmint
HopeHoops
Oct 2012
#24
I'm afraid "county by county" (or townships here in PA) will be the only path to success.
HopeHoops
Oct 2012
#26
I only say state level because of state laws. Local is the best place to start. n/t
porphyrian
Oct 2012
#27
I grew up in MD where EVERYTHING was at the county level. PA and NH were quite different.
HopeHoops
Oct 2012
#30