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70. It depends on what your goal is.
Wed Dec 2, 2020, 02:02 PM
Dec 2020

"Reform the Police" might not scare off voters, but reforming the police doesn't work.

The Squad needs to take a lesson from Obama. Nt mcar Dec 2020 #1
And recognize that they are being destructive when they keep taking pot-shots The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #2
I think clap back has used its usefulness jimfields33 Dec 2020 #20
I rarely see them attacking Republicans mcar Dec 2020 #52
I think that's what bothers me the most PatSeg Dec 2020 #57
+1 treestar Dec 2020 #95
If you have to explain what "defund the police" means. . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2020 #3
Exactly Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2020 #71
Yes indeed. People forget how Obama got his start - as a community organizer. From where I sit... George II Dec 2020 #102
Yep PatSeg Dec 2020 #54
Obama lost downticket badly during his years, and radius777 Dec 2020 #91
Ms. Porter Grills Rs ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #101
Yes, he learned from experience PatSeg Dec 2020 #106
Yes. Because Obama's two terms would have been SO much more successful stopdiggin Dec 2020 #113
Obama didn't lose "downticket". He won every one of his own races, both statewide & nationally. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2020 #138
The poster was talking about the "thumping" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #147
Aw Jeez! I know "The Squad" has a fan club here, but like another failed presidential candidate, Tarheel_Dem Dec 2020 #158
"This is despite taking cues from Lieberman and the rest of the non-radicals." betsuni Dec 2020 #159
Urban districts like those represented by the Squad are why Biden won. radius777 Dec 2020 #157
This. cwydro Dec 2020 #75
Why couldn't the slogan have been "Reform the Police" exboyfil Dec 2020 #4
"Reform the Police" has been failing for decades. Jirel Dec 2020 #14
Sorry Nope... caber09 Dec 2020 #66
It depends on what your goal is. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #70
Yes it does.. caber09 Dec 2020 #72
. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #74
You continue to move forward, not cost us and help us move backward.. caber09 Dec 2020 #79
People like George Floyd cannot afford baby steps. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #83
You want the police to be abolished? are you serious? caber09 Dec 2020 #84
Yes. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #85
The Republicans thank you for your help..chaos is not a winning strategy. caber09 Dec 2020 #86
Yeah, it's not really an issue that lends itself well to electoral politics. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #124
You are so full of it...you need a plumber... caber09 Dec 2020 #130
We can develop all sorts of emergency responses that have nothing to do with the control-and-punish WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #131
Sorry you are full of it... caber09 Dec 2020 #132
I mean, if a guy is attacking me, you're right -- in the moment, I'm worrying about my own WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #133
Well at least you admitted something.. caber09 Dec 2020 #134
"Well at least you admitted something.." WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #135
"Again, I'm unbothered. Activism work sometimes works hand-in-hand with electoral politics.." caber09 Dec 2020 #136
Police kill people no matter who is mayor, governor or president, or which party has the majority WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #137
99% of them protect & serve, please get your head on straight... caber09 Dec 2020 #139
"Of course we need to reform more and make them more accountable" WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #140
Make them accountable for their wrong doing, fire them if guilty... caber09 Dec 2020 #141
. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #143
You think you are living in a utopian universe that does not exist.. caber09 Dec 2020 #145
. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #146
that's pretty crazy stopdiggin Dec 2020 #114
I'm not concerned about where I stand when it comes to electoral politics. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #125
Historically both parties have been complicit in systemic racism and policing issues. radius777 Dec 2020 #96
"Reform" is popular because it is utterly meaningless Bettie Dec 2020 #103
You get it. The cops laugh at 'reform'. radius777 Dec 2020 #107
I'm also GenX and have been hearing Bettie Dec 2020 #109
Where do you guys live? I would love to know the districts you are in and see how it matches.. caber09 Dec 2020 #112
So, no one where you live believe that Bettie Dec 2020 #116
Thats a ridiculous answer.. caber09 Dec 2020 #119
AGREED. Basement Beat Dec 2020 #73
Exactly. FTP is the slogan I would use. But seriously radius777 Dec 2020 #93
They won't be helped by an ineffective slogan treestar Dec 2020 #97
Exactly, some people who should be on our side seem not to mind more Rs in office apparently caber09 Dec 2020 #111
They won't be helped by an ineffective slogan treestar Dec 2020 #98
Because we've been "reforming the police" for decades Mariana Dec 2020 #16
Apparently, we're supposed to ignore that Bettie Dec 2020 #105
I 100% agree!! nt USALiberal Dec 2020 #63
From the article -- Klaralven Dec 2020 #5
So who do they call when someone exboyfil Dec 2020 #6
They'll probably call someone who will show up six hours later, deucemagnet Dec 2020 #123
Will the police ever solve that crime? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #148
I've seen at least one of "the squad" actually say this summer "abolish the police"..... George II Dec 2020 #7
It was attributed to Omar in June FBaggins Dec 2020 #19
Yes, I believe that was what PatSeg Dec 2020 #58
If their goal is to actually abolish the police, jrthin Dec 2020 #9
There was a very sobering report on The Newshour last week (I think) about... LAS14 Dec 2020 #10
Yeah, I agree. It is a knotty problem and both sides are right. KPN Dec 2020 #24
He wasn't criticizing the protests, LAS14 Dec 2020 #43
We have different perspectives. KPN Dec 2020 #45
That is an interesting way to say 'maybe I was wrong about that." SlogginThroughIt Dec 2020 #69
It is awfully presumptive... tonedevil Dec 2020 #77
I didn't presume that. SlogginThroughIt Dec 2020 #87
Guess you were just saying. /nt tonedevil Dec 2020 #88
We have different perspectives on that. There are those who can extrapolate ... KPN Dec 2020 #89
It is not a slogan, but also not great communication. Caliman73 Dec 2020 #53
They're right. Jirel Dec 2020 #8
That's why there's a problem with the slogan. It's that racists can successfully twist it and turn. LAS14 Dec 2020 #11
Racists successfully can twist ANY phrase. Jirel Dec 2020 #18
Bingo. The Rs run around nakedly violating every KPN Dec 2020 #27
Some pack more of a punch when twisted. Defund the Police, while accurately... LAS14 Dec 2020 #41
The phrasing is not the main problem treestar Dec 2020 #99
have to disagree stopdiggin Dec 2020 #115
I agree. I think I was thinking of the idea treestar Dec 2020 #128
Any problem isn't any slogan, it's what the slogan represents and how people interpret it... George II Dec 2020 #13
Ah, short memories. Jirel Dec 2020 #21
No its not... caber09 Dec 2020 #68
And that is why seasoned politicians PatSeg Dec 2020 #59
LOL BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #17
No, it is just a really bad slogan dansolo Dec 2020 #39
The purpose of a slogan is to successfully market Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #42
Hmmm. Sounds very similar to what I heard a few years ago on another topic gratuitous Dec 2020 #12
Sorry, I disagree - not even close. George II Dec 2020 #15
You're totally right gratuitous Dec 2020 #22
Reform the police has broad support on both sides of the aisle AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #31
Oooh, if only we used the right word gratuitous Dec 2020 #51
Maybe seven votes out of 400K exboyfil Dec 2020 #65
No one is questioning that police reforms are Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #47
Police reforms are toothless wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #149
And what exactly does "shape up" mean. Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #150
Wow so complicated wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #151
Apparently too complicated for you to say what Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #152
I know when something is not worth my time wellst0nev0ter Dec 2020 #154
Like I said, short of a bad slogan you don't Phoenix61 Dec 2020 #155
Straw man treestar Dec 2020 #100
Those who are too comfortable with the status quo keep making the same mistakes. Jirel Dec 2020 #25
Baby step progress is not status quo. AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #34
Stop with this BS...this is nonsense.. caber09 Dec 2020 #81
+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #120
We literally lost this seat over Defund the Police. Gothmog Dec 2020 #35
Sort of OT BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #23
She is not volatile and incendiary enough? AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #29
You may be right BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #36
If Katie could bottle up her passion and give it to every Democratic congressperson out there mtnsnake Dec 2020 #56
Porter is plenty inciendary, just she's a cherubic white woman, radius777 Dec 2020 #129
Because She Remembers Who The Enemy Is? ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #104
Yes, I appreciate the all business approach. BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #108
I Think I Would Take Political Advice from the Greatest Politician of Our Generation Skraxx Dec 2020 #26
This is akin to smaller animals in the jungle kvetching at a lion. AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #28
I am starting to wonder if they are republicans in disguise? GemDigger Dec 2020 #30
They're not Republicans BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #40
I know they aren't. People are stupid and to them "defund the police" means get rid of the PD in GemDigger Dec 2020 #46
Yep BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #49
Obama Says 'Defund The Police' Alienates Voters, Drawing Sharp Rebuke From The Left Gothmog Dec 2020 #32
I remember in the 60s the slogan was "If you don't like the cops, call a hippie.". marie999 Dec 2020 #33
"and if you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao ..." stopdiggin Dec 2020 #117
Obama is 100% AlexSFCA Dec 2020 #37
Ya know, if police are murdering Americans, KPN Dec 2020 #38
I see the "they oughta wanna" syndrome here. LAS14 Dec 2020 #44
Worst slogan in modern politcal history. tman Dec 2020 #48
I lulz'd KG Dec 2020 #50
The Squad needs to learn not to be so pig headed. You shouldn't continue to defend a term Vinca Dec 2020 #55
How many people are actually in the 'squad'? Any new members? Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #61
The problem is right here peggysue2 Dec 2020 #60
That was the message that was picked up by the Minneapolis City Council. Someone introduced.... George II Dec 2020 #82
Ya think? peggysue2 Dec 2020 #90
Defund the police sounded like we wanted complete anarchy in the streets Jamesyu Dec 2020 #62
Obama is correct. Defund the police has "lose" all over it. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2020 #64
Obama is right WA-03 Democrat Dec 2020 #67
It is the worst slogan in modern political history AnyFunctioningAdult Dec 2020 #76
Amen, right on, 10000% Agreed...defund the PD is a great path to Republican majority rule, no thanks caber09 Dec 2020 #80
Bleh Dem2 Dec 2020 #78
I'm happy to see that progressives on the ground in Georgia seem to understand Obama's point. LAS14 Dec 2020 #92
A few more paragraphs, it's a very good article. Both Warnock and Ossoff know what wins in GA: George II Dec 2020 #94
real adults, doing real politics! who knew? (nt) stopdiggin Dec 2020 #118
Why 'Defund The Police' Attacks Were So Potent Against Democrats Gothmog Dec 2020 #110
Unbelievable that we are arguing (the party is) over branding... JCMach1 Dec 2020 #121
They seem really really attached to certain slogans. As if the slogan was more important than the betsuni Dec 2020 #122
"Clap back".. lol. President Obama is Cha Dec 2020 #126
Yep, and they're using that bullshit against Warnock and Ossoff in the GA run-offs. GoCubsGo Dec 2020 #142
Of course the maggots are using this Cha Dec 2020 #144
Everyone in this thread saying reform hasn't worked BGBD Dec 2020 #127
You are 100% correct! It has been working and will still be working, and reform will continue.... George II Dec 2020 #156
Obama is right. I can't believe this is even a debate. Blasphemer Dec 2020 #153
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